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Well, damn. Add Easton Stick to the list of QBs who look better than Bryce Young. By the way, who the fug is Easton Stick?

If the Commanders are smart they focus on building around Howell. The Dolphins were straight up mocking Bieniemy's offense post-game and fully admitted the only thing they were concerned about was Howell getting out of the pocket and making plays. Nothing about the scheme or weapons concerned them. If we're smart we have a legit QB competition next year.

It's 3-0 in the 1st quarter.

I really think that hit changed Brown. Dude seems to have legitimately went crazy and the Steelers knew it and cut bait.

Because I've watched the second year guy since he was a true freshman. I know who he is. I probably watched 7-8 of Bryce's college games and never got the hype. I got roundly mocked on here this past off-season for saying that I didn't see the prerequisite physical talent with Bryce. There was the obvious height/size issue, but I said from the get go that at best his arm talent was NFL average at best and was likely below average. I just didn't see the physical talent from Bryce and unfortunately that has played out so far on NFL fields. I would've loved to have been wrong.

Who has shown more promise and more ability? It's really that simple. I'll ride with Howell. But that's not what you tried to say. You tried to insinuate I do this with every UNC player and it's demonstrably false.

No one not named David Tepper wouldn't trade Bryce Young for Sam Howell straight up right now. One guy has shown NFL level talent, the other hasn't. It's really that simple.

Yeah, because I've been here staunchly defending Trubisky at every step. Oh wait...

Some of us realized at the time that Brady was getting scapegoated. I'm honestly surprised it took him this long to get another shot and I'm not surprised he suddenly had Allen and the Bills' offense looking better. The Panthers have pretty much made the wrong decision at ever given opportunity under David Tepper. I said when we fired Brady that if you gave me a chance to invest in Rhule's NFL future or Brady's NFL future I'd go all in on Joe Brady's.

How is is stupid? I mean, pretty much every QB that takes the field looks better than Bryce Young. It sucks for us, but that's just reality.

There's levels to poor attendance though. Our game vs. the Falcons was attended at regular season small school NC high School game level.

IMO, the best path forward is to bring in someone to legitimately push Bryce while putting the best team around them that we can. Whether Bryce works out or not provide the best path forward. But I don't think you can just hand Bryce the job again. Not after this disaster. There has to be a legit competition. If that's with Dalton honestly I'm fine with that. But you have to force Bryce to win a competition to get team bye in which means you also have to be willing to allow him to potentially lose that competition.

Just don't ask them about QBs. Big Ben was a fluke.

This class has the elite talent that last year's talent lacked but last year's mid-late round talent was DEEP and that was what I was screaming.bibwanted us to focus on other positions with our 2nd rounder and then take two WRs in the 3rd-5th range. That's where last year's class was stacked.

But Tepper won't let him play. If we bring him back that's fine with me.

KB was a dude. I still wonder what would've happened with him if it hadn't been for the ACL/losing his mom double whammy. I don't think he would've made it long-term but I think he would've been a David Boston type. Been elite for a short term but burn fast. I never understood the Funchess pick. It was redundant. You didn't need to pair another jumbo WR with KB. You needed a burner to take the top off to pair with KB.

Last year was a good WR class. We just chose poorly.

We already have that situation. We have too much power in the hands of someone who is clueless about football. We need to not tie the next football people to the Bryce Young mistake. Try to put the best team we can around him next year but next year needs to be an evaluation process and we need to sign a Jacoby Brissett or Gardner Minshew type of vet to compete with Bryce and be waiting in the wings if/when he starts looking like trash again. Unless the plan is to ride Young to a top pick on '25 if he flops again which I'm fully onboard with. You just can't rage fire another coach for Bryce Young sucking ass.

I could see it. Usually when you have two studs in the same unit on a college team one of them is exposed as a pretender at the NFL level who greatly benefitted from playing with a true stud. Thinking back to guys like Ryan Sims with Peppers at UNC. TMJ with Justin Jefferson at LSU. Courtney Brown with Lavar Arrington at Penn State. I'm sure you could go on for days.

Tez Walker was getting late 1st/early 2nd talk prior to that Clemson game. He struggled late in the year against food secondaries. He needs a good Senior Bowl week and Combine because yeah, he's looking like a mid-rounder now.

I saw an article where 40k people showed up to watch the Texas 6a HS championship game. They had over 200k attendees for all of the HS championship combined. Fuging HIGH SCHOOL games are drawing more attendees than Tepper's NFL team.

We're unlikely to pursue anyone who isn't willing to be a yes man to David Tepper. That's been the reality since Tepper bought the team and I'll believe it won't be the reality when I actually see some sign of hope that it's not.

Oh, I agree. I think it's highly likely he thinks he's just making mistakes while learning the ropes and he'll eventually figure it out. Meanwhile, everything seems to be just getting progressively worse.

From the sounds of the article he is accepting he has been the problem. Accepting his mistakes has never been Tepper's problem. He's willing to accept his mistakes and move on from them. He's just not willing to accept that he continues to make new mistakes and isn't improving as a football manager. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Tepper has to come to grips with the reality that Tepper the team owner would've fired Tepper the Team President multiple times already. He has to essentially fire himself from his current role within the organization and create a new role for himself where his involvement in the football side of the house is GREATLY reduced. Until the happens we are what we are.

I was hopeful until the "he's rejuvenated" line. It's good if he's taking accountability for his myriad of mistakes. It's very bad if he thinks he's got it figured out now but it would fit his pattern.