LinvilleGorge

You just nailed a big issue I have with PFF. They act like their grades are completely objective when in reality they're based on the opinion of the person grading the play. Like in the situation I outlined above. I can see why one person might grade that incomplete pass to T-Mac one on one deep negatively when you had Tremble open underneath. A lot of that depends on the offensive mindset of the team. Are we a conservative offense leaning on defense or are we a team that wants to be aggressive on offense? If the former, that play should probably grade negatively because that offense is looking to control the clock and methodically advance the ball. If the latter, that OC and HC probably applauds taking that shot counting on still being able to convert and move the chains on 3rd and 4. They'll value the opportunity for the big chunk over the safe play in that situation. They're also assuming they know the play call and the read. Was that missed throw and actual miss or did the receiver make his cut two yards deeper than he was supposed to? Did that DB blow the coverage or was he playing his correct role and someone else screwed it up? Yeah, that receiver was open early but he was the 3rd read in the progression. A lot of these situations the only person who objectively know the answer is the play caller and the outside observer is forced to work off of assumption.

I'm not deeply familiar with their system but it seems to me that they likely treat every play equally. Oh, that was a positive play. Sir, it was more than a run of the mill positive play. It was a jaw dropping game winning TD. You can't treat that play as the equal of a random 2nd down play in the 1st half where you made the wrong read and it resulted in an incomplete pass. Less drastic, there's just a difference in importance to say 2nd and 4 in a game you're up two scores and 3rd and 8 when you're trailing. There has to be something in the formula to account for weighting of plays and it's something that's going to take some trial and error and you're probably never going to stop tweaking with it to fine tune it. I think that's where a lot of the PFF scores feel off. You'll watch a game and a guy will have a handful of very impactful plays but not otherwise particularly stand out and PFF will grade him negatively but did he really have a bad game? He wasn't "bad" otherwise and he made a handful of key plays. I think every football person would grade that overall positively. Same thing on the flipside. A guy was pretty decent overall but had a handful of absolutely terrible reps that led to negative consequences in the game. Despite being overall decent most football people would agree that the bad outweighed the good and that should result in an overall negative grade where it seems like PFF would tend to grade that performance positively. I also wonder if they take into account situational football. Let's say it's that 2nd and 4. Overall the offense has been struggling a bit and we haven't been able to get any chunk plays and the D is really crowding the line. Tremble is open on a drag underneath that would likely move the chains but T-Mac is running a go down the sideline and he's one on one. You take the shot. It falls incomplete. I suspect PFF would grade that negatively where I'd honestly be neutral on it. Yeah, hitting Tremble likely moves the chains but we still have 3rd and 4 coming up with a decent chance to convert (we're pretending we have a real QB here, bear with me LOL). That shot to T-Mac was a good opportunity and it makes the D respect that you can threaten them vertically. I'm okay with it in the context of the game as outlined. I'm just not a big fan of going through a game and grading play by play on a stand alone basis. You have to consider the context of the game.

It's similar to Bryce though. I agree with you on Shedeur as a college QB. Absolutely. In terms of NFL prospects though, I would always point out that he doesn't have a single plus trait as an NFL QB. There's nothing about his measurables that are above average for an NFL QB. And then you had the playing style issue. Running around to buy time before chucking up a prayer to your elite NFL prospect teammate wasn't going to translate. I said the same thing about Shedeur that I said about Bryce, it's hard for me to look at his college play and point out many plays that I can say "See, that right there translates to the NFL. That works on Sundays."

The one thing we can't do again is go all in and mortgage the entire short to mid-term future on one prospect. The draft is just too much of a crap shoot to do that. There's no such thing as a sure thing in the draft. But when you trade a king's ransom in draft capital and a good starter to get a guy it's absolutely gutting if he busts. A top pick bust always sucks but at the end of the day all that cost you was one pick. You gotta leave it at that. You can't let a mistake cost you multiple 1sts, a 2nd, and a starting WR.

I just think they really misunderstood Shedeur's draft prospects. Travis Hunter was a legit elite NFL prospect. Shedeur wasn't. Shiloh wasn't NFL caliber, period. They just really thought that Shedeur was right up there with Hunter in terms of NFL draft stock and I never saw it. Even when the media was following right along with Deion barking about it. I got called a hater saying all along that Shedeur wasn't a 1st round prospect. He seemed like the stereotypical good college QB that had a lot of questions marks in terms of translating to the NFL that typically goes somewhere on the mid-rounds.

He didn't want him going to the Browns either but once you start plummeting down the draft board you go from trying to dictate to just hoping you get a chance. To Deion's credit he seems to have realized that he wasn't helping his son's situation and has shut up.

Yeah, so far this highly touted class is looking very meh. If I had to take a guy today I'd take Mendoza. I'm intrigued as hell by Sellers but he's been underwhelming this year while also acknowledging that his OL is complete ass. Still plenty of football left to play. Hoping some guys really emerge but we'll see.

I'm not at all opposed to having number crunchers on staff but it just needs to be part of the overall process. My concern with Tepper is that with his background outside of football and the comments he's made in the past about analytics I think he might be prone to putting way too much stick into the number crunching. I get it, everyone is looking for ways to draft better because it's a crap shoot in a lot of ways and there's busts and steals in every draft class but you're never coming up with a perfect formula and PFF seems to have a bad habit of instead of acknowledging misses and trying to tweak their system they'll just resort to mental gymnastics and try to convince people that their eyes were lying and that guy who played like ass was actually pretty good

I'm not misrepresenting anything. You just seem to have a pretty stunning lack of self awareness that you're literally doing the same thing you complain about. I don't "think" that you care about people picking on Bryce you very blatantly obviously DO. Keep slinging those poo reactions buddy. LOL

If you were simply posting the tweet or talking about the content of the tweet, sure. But no... you gotta throw in your bullshit and try to make it about your perception people are unfairly picking on Bryce. I just think it's comical that while you constantly bitch about other people derailing conversation you're literally doing the exact same thing to your own thread. I mean, keep it up. It's entertaining. We need entertainment.

As you continue to derail your own thread LOLOLOLOL You can't make this stuff up. Clown activity.

And I'm talking about you derailing your own thread in your initial post. Speaking of being daft... Your cope is constantly getting bent out of shape about people being critical of Bryce. Look around. People are shitting on Tepper, Morgan, Evero, Canales, the LBs, Moehrig, and on and on but oddly you only take issue with criticisms of a certain individual.

Yeah, the VP of Football Analytics is a PFF guy and so is the Director of Data Science.

I wish people would actually go back and watch his college games knowing what they know now. Myself and plenty others on here pointed out some glaring talent deficiencies and laid out why his playing style was unlikely to translate to the NFL given his skill set. Go back and watch Bryce throwing to wide open receivers. Watch him immediately backpedal 10 yards behind the LOS after every snap to gain depth to see over the scrum and stand square to the line forcing him to reset his feet and flip his hips to actually deliver the ball once he finds what he wants. None of it was going to work at the NFL level. Now I will say that even as a loud Bryce dissenter from the get go even i am shocked at how bad it's been. I didn't think he was ever going to be a franchise starter but I honestly never anticipated that he would be THIS bad either.

I tried to tell folks that Moehrig was just an undersized LB. Honestly, I'd tell him to gain 25 pounds this off-season and do exactly that - play him at LB.

As for PFF, the Carolina Panthers building an entire analytics department of guys poached from PFF and then fielding this roster, I mean...

When you don't have a QB you don't have a chance so yeah, if the QB you invested massively into giving up a lot of roster building capital to acquire sucks then yeah, that's your biggest problem in terms of roster issues. Keep making excuses for Bryce and coming up with new and increasingly entertaining mental gymnastics to try to cover for him but it is what it is. We would have hope if we had a QB. We were ass Cam's rookie year but we were all excited because we knew we had a QB. All other roster deficiencies are easy fixes compared to QB. Derailing threads? Man you derailed your own thread in your initial post. LOLOLOL

4-3 isn't fixing our problem. We have no 4-3 DEs and Scourton and Princely were basically wasted picks if we go back to a 4-3. The problem isn't the alignment, the problem is we don't have NFL caliber LBs and our DC is trash.

I just wanna see Evero fired, frying him seems a bit extreme.

Bruh, there's certainly "cope" going on with Bryce but it ain't coming from the folks saying he ass.

I'm glad we didn't take that approach going into '03.

I can believe that we have good weeks at practice. The problem is that it's ass vs. ass. Our offense is ass and our defense is ass. When we have to face outside competition that isn't ass or at least isn't as mega ass as we are then it's a problem.

He looks like he's one smart comment away from snatching up some poor BOA vendor by the collar and demanding a liter 'a cola.

Dalton at this point is basically like late career Cam in that he can come in and look pretty good for a game or two but it just doesn't seem like he's physically up to prolonging that for more than a game or two.

Yeah, the Evero truly seems to be the head coach of the defense. I'm all for giving coordinators plenty of rein to work with but when your HC is practically begging his DC to play some younger guys instead of trash tier vets and the DC pretty much brushes it off that seems like a problem.