LinvilleGorge

Just got a trust your scouting. When it's all said and done there will end up being a lot of variance on the field in the NFL between all these similarly graded prospects. The scary part for Panthers fans is our recent history of abject scouting failures.

Listen to any and all trade offers and take one of the appropriate value is there. If not, draft Jalon Walker.

It's a great year to be a smart team. With all the perennially dumb teams sitting in the top 10 wanting to trade down there will probably be a perennially smart team identify a guy who may not stand out from the pack from a pure talent perspective but who does stand out from the pack in terms of fitting what they're looking for at that position of need and they'll jump up the draft board at a bargain to get him.

Then absolutely listen to offers. I'm not saying to don't trade down. Honestly, my preference would be to trade down with an at or near traditional market value offer. But am I willing to take late teens value for my #8 pick just to move down? Hell no.

Unless the offer(s) are straight trash just seeing if you can get a desperate team to make a dumb mistake. That's the situation I fear is playing out right now.

That's part of the reason why I'd be having my scouts and decision makers actively avoiding media narratives and talking points. Ignore the group think BS. We're going to put in the work and make our own evaluations as unadulterated by the BS as we can manage and sink or swim on that.

This is the widely believed narrative but it'll most likely prove incorrect. There will probably be some great players drafted between #8 and the late 1st. A lot of the guys who are currently being talked about as being "in the same tier" will prove not to be. Then, like always, there will be great players picked in the mid-rounds who were overlooked in large part probably due to group think. If I was running an NFL draft I would be telling my scouts and decision makers to ignore media draft talk. I don't mean just don't pay attention to it, I mean actively and consciously avoid it.

I hope not. I say this because I think in order to trade down we're going to have to take a really bad offer.

Careful what you wish for. I could see us getting absolutely fleeced.

Definitely not. Keep in mind, #10 got traded last year. They moved all the way down to #11 and picked up an extra 4th and 5th to move down that one spot. #17 got traded for #23 and a 5th plus 3rd and 4ths this year. #24 and a 7th got traded for #29 and #73. So a higher 3rd round pick last year meant moving up five spots in the late 1st. Moving up 12 spots into the top 10 needs to net a helluva lot more than a 3rd rounder. The draft pick value difference is worth roughly a late 1st rounder.

I expect Graham to be gone but teams might get caught up on measurables and convince themselves to draft someone else. Unfortunately, we're the poster child for that. Ironically, the one time we ignored measurables we made one of the most aggressive trade ups in recent memory.

You never make a move unless you're willing to take that deal as the only deal. Relying on making a trade up after the trade down just increases your level of desperation and this organization really needs to stop acting out of desperation. It's why we keep getting hosed.

Yeah, we definitely have history. Pretty sure our ass is still mighty sore from the last time they "kept pounding" on us.

Yeah, of Graham is there fug drafting someone else or taking some ripoff trade offer. Just draft the stud. Don't overthink it or try to get cute.

Never be desperate. When you're desperate you're gonna get fleeced. We shouldn't be desperate to trade down. Be willing to take the best player on your board if there isn't an appealing offer. Watch something like trading #8 to Sean Payton in Denver for #20 and #85 or something equally awful.

I mean, we have the worst record in the NFL since Tepper bought the team. It's not like that breeds optimism.

We're gonna get absolutely fuging fleeced. Just watch. LOL

Definitely possible they have several prospects that could potentially make sense for us.

Yeah, it basically feels likes Marty Hurney minus the slam dunk 1st round picks which basically equals just straight up trash. LOL

Honestly it might work to their favor. They desperately need OL help. This way they aren't tempted to take Carter or Hunter and they'll do what they should and just take their choice of the OT crop.

I just don't see enough blue chip prospects to bait trade ups. I don't think there will be much interest in trading up and any offers will likely be well below traditional market value.

After all the spending they did on D in FA, if they don't take an OT at #4 I'm demanding a trade if I'm Drake Maye.

There was a HUGE gap between ASU and Texas and Skattebo put up a legendary performance. Penn State was 8th in run defense and Texas was 12th. I think Jeanty is a very good RB prospect. But I do think people are really overrating him. I don't think he's special and they're getting caught up in his college stats and overlooking the reality that he doesn't contribute much at all as a receiver and that he was putting up those stats versus well below average competition. I just don't see the generational type RB prospect people are trying to make him out to be.

I can't imagine being as obsessed about a rival college team as you are. LOL

Shaq, Butler, and Legette all pissed me off pretty bad.