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If we end up handing the Bears the #1 overall pick and they defy history and pick a good QB while Stroud continues to look like a future HOFer, the Vikings will breathe a huge sigh of relief because no one will talk about that Herschel Walker trade anymore. There will be a new king of awful trades.

Wait until the draft coverage. We're gonna be the butt of every joke and we'll deserve every single one of them.

Adapt? He couldn't effectively throw more than about 20 yards. You can't adapt to that.

Ah, it all makes sense now. A boomer has a boomer take.

What an incredible poo take.

It's a weird hill to die on as a Panthers fan. All the sucking we've done. All the terrible QBing we've watched. And still a decent chunk of this fanbase wants to nitpick the best QB and only NFL MVP we've ever had.

In terms of underperforming on his HOF potential it has everything to do with it. Cam was absolutely on a HOF trajectory.

That's a knock on PFF then because Mahomes is the best QB on the league and has been for awhile. We never got to see Cam play with the type of weapons Allen has had in an offense where he wasn't expected to carry the load each and ever Sunday. I think folks forget how often Cam also led the team in rushing yards. Allen is one helluva QB, don't get me wrong. But if I'm picking between Josh Allen at his best and Cam Newton at his best all else being equal, I'm taking Cam all day everyday.

Dude's a helluva player. Good for him.

The past is all we have. It's the only part of being a Panthers fan that actually brings joy.

Cam's shoulder got ruined. What was he supposed to do to change that?

The arrow is pointing up for Khan's Jags. The arrow for Tepper's Panthers is pointed straight toward the pits of hell. I honestly think Tepper has put in enough work in short time to be dead last.

Two fold IMO. 1. You want to see development from Bryce and our other young players. This has more to do with the development of individual talent than the scoreboard and W-L record but if they play better we'll naturally have a better chance if winning. 2. You'd really prefer not to have the embarrassment of handing the Bears #1 overall after trading that pick to them as part of a substantial package to draft a QB that hasn't exactly lit the league up as a rookie while the guy drafted #2 isn't just a slam dunk ROY, he's a borderline legit MVP candidate.

Yeah, the "muh system" guys are gonna get driven crazy by guys like Cam and Allen. Hell, Mahomes too for that matter.

If he's frustrated with both Cam and Allen I have to assume it's playing style. Stylistically, Cam and Allen are pretty damn similar. Both want the chunk plays in the passing game, will fire balls into tight places, and they'll play some hero ball both with their arm and their legs.

That was Shula's offense. Literally that.

They built their entire OL out of the portal this year. UNC landed the #1 ranked OT last year and he was a non-factor as a freshman despite UNC having a fairly run of the mill OL. That's the norm for lineman recruits. They almost always need at least one year of college level S&C not to mention simply another year of physical maturation from age. You aren't getting your quick fixes in the trenches from kids coming straight out of HS.

Well don't bring him here. If he's bitching about Newton and Allen the poor guy would probably have a complete breakdown working with Bryce.

I'll watch the first game or two to see if Bryce looks any better. If not, I'll probably check out. I tuned into the last game for the same reason. Probably won't watch anymore this year at this point.

Any cred Rivera and Del Rio has as defensive coaches died an ugly death this year.

It baffles me when Panthers fans want to down play how great Cam was in his prime. They guy played with one elite WR and that was only for his first couple of seasons.

Did he honestly bring any higher level of competency and respect than someone like Reich?

Let me know when Allen wins an MVP and takes a team to the SB with a Ted Ginn Jr. tier player as his #1 WR.

This dude is severely out of touch if he was bashing Cam and is now bashing Allen. Dude had/has QBs that all but a small handful of teams at the time wouldn't take over their guy without a moment's hesitation.

When everything is always dysfunctional, look higher up the chain.