LinvilleGorge

I hope not. I say this because I think in order to trade down we're going to have to take a really bad offer.

Careful what you wish for. I could see us getting absolutely fleeced.

Definitely not. Keep in mind, #10 got traded last year. They moved all the way down to #11 and picked up an extra 4th and 5th to move down that one spot. #17 got traded for #23 and a 5th plus 3rd and 4ths this year. #24 and a 7th got traded for #29 and #73. So a higher 3rd round pick last year meant moving up five spots in the late 1st. Moving up 12 spots into the top 10 needs to net a helluva lot more than a 3rd rounder. The draft pick value difference is worth roughly a late 1st rounder.

I expect Graham to be gone but teams might get caught up on measurables and convince themselves to draft someone else. Unfortunately, we're the poster child for that. Ironically, the one time we ignored measurables we made one of the most aggressive trade ups in recent memory.

You never make a move unless you're willing to take that deal as the only deal. Relying on making a trade up after the trade down just increases your level of desperation and this organization really needs to stop acting out of desperation. It's why we keep getting hosed.

Yeah, we definitely have history. Pretty sure our ass is still mighty sore from the last time they "kept pounding" on us.

Yeah, of Graham is there fug drafting someone else or taking some ripoff trade offer. Just draft the stud. Don't overthink it or try to get cute.

Never be desperate. When you're desperate you're gonna get fleeced. We shouldn't be desperate to trade down. Be willing to take the best player on your board if there isn't an appealing offer. Watch something like trading #8 to Sean Payton in Denver for #20 and #85 or something equally awful.

I mean, we have the worst record in the NFL since Tepper bought the team. It's not like that breeds optimism.

We're gonna get absolutely fuging fleeced. Just watch. LOL

Definitely possible they have several prospects that could potentially make sense for us.

Yeah, it basically feels likes Marty Hurney minus the slam dunk 1st round picks which basically equals just straight up trash. LOL

Honestly it might work to their favor. They desperately need OL help. This way they aren't tempted to take Carter or Hunter and they'll do what they should and just take their choice of the OT crop.

I just don't see enough blue chip prospects to bait trade ups. I don't think there will be much interest in trading up and any offers will likely be well below traditional market value.

After all the spending they did on D in FA, if they don't take an OT at #4 I'm demanding a trade if I'm Drake Maye.

There was a HUGE gap between ASU and Texas and Skattebo put up a legendary performance. Penn State was 8th in run defense and Texas was 12th. I think Jeanty is a very good RB prospect. But I do think people are really overrating him. I don't think he's special and they're getting caught up in his college stats and overlooking the reality that he doesn't contribute much at all as a receiver and that he was putting up those stats versus well below average competition. I just don't see the generational type RB prospect people are trying to make him out to be.

I can't imagine being as obsessed about a rival college team as you are. LOL

Shaq, Butler, and Legette all pissed me off pretty bad.

Turning down two 1st for Burns just to turn around and trade him a year later for waaaaaaaay less was just peak Panthering.

I think ideally with Warren you're looking at a Jason Witten type guy. He's not a guy that wows you athletically, he just does everything right and despite not wowing you, at the end of the game and the end of the season he's put up good numbers and had a big impact. The issue is that most of these guys turn out to not be Jason Witten. They project more as solid to good starters but they won't turn out to be future HOFers like Witten. Panthers fans love Wesley Walls and for good reason, but would you want Wesley Walls with a top 10 pick? I honestly think that Colston Loveland has the higher ceiling of the two.

God, our recent drafting has been sooooo bad. LOL

Playoffs and a winning record would be super nice but I've become so accustomed to talking draft by Halloween that I'll believe that's going to change when it actually does.

What was that good defense? Because Oregon was 64th in the country in YPC allowed and their 38th in rushing yards allowed likely would've been lower had teams not been playing from behind for most of the year. The reality is that they were a middle of the pack run D. C'mon man, those PAC-12 teams have jever won on defense. You know this. You don't have to create a false narrative to prop up your favorite very good draft prospect.

We'll know who RB1 is in a few years. I just find it funny how State fans come running to talk poo about how UNC fans always do something any time anything UNC is mentioned. Oddly, I don't recall any UNC fans shitting on Icky as a prospect because of where he went to school or mentioning his college team when he's looking like a turnstile in pass pro. The inferiority complex is just annoying. Are any Carolina fans talking crap about any State prospects this year? I wouldn't mind at all to draft Belton in the mid-rounds. I don't give a poo where a guy went to school. If he went to UNC, great. But that's just icing on the cake.

For the record, I don't think Jeanty is "crazy overrated". I just don't think there's much if any gap between Jeanty and Hampton and if you like your RBs to double as receiving threats you might actually prefer Hampton. I think they're both legit 1st round RB prospects which translates to elite RB prospects in the modern NFL