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Winston was an absolute statue with a Byron Leftwich slow delivery. Not seeing the comp at all Winston is basically Leftwich with a room temperature IQ but I like the guy. Seems like a legitimately good person that would be fun to be around.

Good lord. This guy and his familial obsession again.

OSU has taken the mantle from LSU as WR U in recent years.

It's gonna be an interesting playoffs. There just aren't any dominant teams this year. Every team has shown some serious vulnerabilities. Don't be surprised if Oregon lays an egg against Michigan today. Seems like something similar has happened to every other top team.

Yeah, I've been saying that this year's Miami team is very reminiscent of the Howell/Maye UNC teams. As good as the QB is I can't see them as legit contenders.

Everyone gives them a tough fight. Their defense is trash.

I wouldn't call Washington State exactly "no name college". They're not powerhouse but they're a solid program.

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I'd listen. Shedeur Sanders has Raiders written all over him IMO.

He reminds me very much of Caleb Williams on the field, both the positives and the negatives. If I thought he was Williams without the diva I'd take him in a heartbeat.

Yeah, with other NFL QBs - even bad ones - you can see flashes of ability. They don't suck because they flat out don't have the physical tools. Maybe they aren't making the right reads or maybe they aren't throwing the ball accurately enough or maybe they just break under pressure, but when things go right they look the part. When things go "right" for Bryce he completes a five yards slant with no velocity. He just doesn't look like he belongs out there.

No amount of sitting is going to allow for Bryce Young to develop NFL level talent.

You named all of those guys and only one of them (Foles) ended up being a 28-30 year old SB QB and he was signed to be a backup to an elite QB and ended up getting an elite team across the finish line catching lightning in a bottle. Thanks for making my point for me.

Horrific? Goff threw for 3800 yards and 28 TDs in his second season. How's Bryce tracking?

I think the changes just led people to believe that a guy like Bruce could translate to the NFL now. Guys who lack NFL measurables have been putting up big numbers in college forever but in decades past NFL evaluators would look at them and say "great college player but it's almost certainly not gonna translate to the NFL" and they'd go on to be a mid to late round pick. But with the rule changes they see a guy like Bruce who they think checks all the boxes outside of elite physical talent and they convince themselves it can work now. Wrong. There are still very real physical prerequisites.

Convince Houston of that and let's swing a trade. LOL

I've given up on Tepper stopping his incessant meddling. I just want someone to get in his ear at this point and convince him that the biggest flex possible for him would be to sell the Panthers for way more than he bought them for just a few years later. Then he can focus on doing something that would really help him leave his mark like bringing MLB to Charlotte or really anything besides continuing to ruin NFL football in the Carolinas.

The problem is you gotta draft them to get them though. SB caliber 28-30 year old QBs are simply not available.

Partly that and partly because of the rules changes making easier on the offense. With the rules changes you're handicapping yourself if you don't run a more open concept pass happy offense. That's what the rules are designed to reward.

This is only going to keep getting worse with NIL and the transfer portal the way it currently is. Now if a guy isn't getting the PT he wants right now or has an opportunity to go to a bigger higher profile program there's a good chance he's gonna transfer out to the highest bidder. College systems are probably going to get even further simplified because now you're dealing with even more years over year roster turnover. There isn't development, everything has to be focused on plug and play. But again, that's not the fault of college coaches. They're not making the rules. They're just trying to do everything they can to win college football games within the structure of the rules they're given to abide by.

Is it working on the college field? If yes, then that's the extent of the responsibility of the college coach. Period. Putting NFL development on college football coaches is lazy. That's not their job. You have to develop your own players or you have to adapt your systems to work with the talent you're getting. We're seeing more and more of the latter and less and less of the former.

Stroud looked bad last night to the point that I honestly think he was probably playing hurt. He was getting up mighty slow from some of those hits. Just a typical Thursday night football game. Most of those games suck and weird things happen more often from injuries to good teams looking like poo, etc. The Jets are absolutely desperate too. They haven't quit. They suck but you better not overlook them because they know their back is against the wall. As long as they're mathematically alive you're probably in for a dog fight at least.

Some of this also falls on football geek coaches who pride themselves on the complexity of their systems. It's like a badge of honor to be running the most complex, hard to grasp system. Why? Your job isn't to put more bullshit on the plate of your players it's to help put them in the best situation to succeed. Instead of sitting around trying to figure out how to add additional layers of complexity they should be sitting around trying to figure out how can I accomplish the same thing more simply? Do I really need all this verbiage or can I accomplish the same thing with less? The simpler you can make it for the players on the field the higher the chances are for success.

Brady is wrong. College coaches' jobs are to win college football games not develop NFL players. For the past couple of decades the college game has been the driver of innovation in the game. The new "pro style offense" is basically a college offense with additional layers of complexity. It's a lot more similar to a college offense than the traditional pro style offense.

Pretty much. Seems like you basically know what you have within a handful of games when it used to be the norm for even future great QBs to struggle for a year or two, sometimes even mightily. You just wanted to see the physical talent and see signs of being coachable, putting in the work, and moving in the right direction. But these days of a guy sucks right out of the gate he's probably just gonna continue to suck. I think part of it is a lack of patience due to the expectations of early success. If a guy shows the talent, the work ethic, and he's coachable you probably wanna hang in there for awhile to see if it all starts to come together. Early turnover issues or getting hung up on the first read and similar stuff that used to be expected out of young QBs can be worked with. Just hang in there and see how it goes over time. That lack of patience also comes from ownership suites where there's oftentimes a quick trigger finger on coaches and GMs. Those guys know if they don't start producing wins quickly they'll be shown the door so it's hard to have patience developing a QB in that type of environment.