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I think he has a much better chance of being gone than starting. It'd be awesome if he improves drastically but all those healthy scratches last year tells me the staff has pretty much given up on him.

Recruiting is non-stop at the college level. He's looked like this for quote awhile now. Basically ever since the wheels fell off last season.

I mean, you could simply go back and watch his pressers before and after.

Given the trade, I would've gone: Darrisaw - OT, VT Asante Samuel, Jr. - CB, FSU Davis Mills - QB, Stanford Chazz Surratt - LB, UNC Josh Myers - IOL, OSU Talanoa Hufanga - SS/LB, USC James Hudson - OT, Cincy James Wiggins - FS, Cincy

Honestly, I wouldn't hate that trade but I'd hate those picks. As a heels fan, I LOVE Javonte Williams but picking a RB in the 2nd round should be an immediately fireable offense for this roster.

Rhule seemed so youthful and energetic at Baylor and immediately following us hiring him. Dude just looks beat down and like he's not enjoying himself these days. Losing sucks, but he's lost before at Temple and at Baylor early in his tenure at those stops. I just hope he isn't getting discouraged with the much more limited ways to address your roster in the NFL vs. at the college level.

If you could combine the best qualities of Teddy and Darnold I think you'd have a legit franchise NFL QB. Unfortunately, you can't. Darnold has more raw talent, but Teddy is the smarter quarterback. Honestly, I doubt Darnold works out either. I just hope he's boom or bust. Be the answer or net us the pick that gets us the answer.

Let's be honest... until he proves otherwise, I don't think any opposing DCs are shitting themselves going up against Sam Darnold.

I hope he's right and Verge is wrong about our opinion on Jones. Not that it matters if the Niners take him at #3. I hope out interest in Fields is legit. If he's there at #8 he should be the pick. I fully expect a CB to be added fairly early in the draft. Everything about our defensive scheme last year was about covering for our weaknesses on the back end.

This is certainly worth noting. The Seahawks knocked it out of the park drafting early in Carroll's career but they've been pretty trash at drafting for awhile now.

I'm not sure Darnold is anything more than our "QB decision for right now". We haven't even officially picked up his fifth year option yet.

Considering expectations, our D performed admirably. Prior to the season, pretty much all of us expected to have one of if not the worst defense in the NFL and they were pretty far from that.

We don't have any cap liabilities on any of those other virtually limitless camp bodies. We do on Grier and Little. Their bonus money is hitting our cap one way or the other so unless they're just locker room cancers they're the better camp bodies. .

It's probably because they're on cheap rookie contracts and you always need camp bodies. Just being honest.

Wouldn't surprise me in the least if we took a guy like Mills or Mond if one was available in the 3rd.

I never saw it to be honest. He looked like he had two left feet in every Combine drill and he tested athletically subpar across the board.

How many times was he a healthy scratch last season? Yeah, I think he has a steep uphill battle to be on the roster this coming season and we'd likely trade him for any offer we could get.

I'd add UNC's Dazz Newsome and WFU's Sage Surratt to the list. Newsome in particular is intriguing as a Samuel replacement. He doesn't have Samuel's game breaking speed, but he has better hands and is a much better route runner coming out of college than Samuel was. He has similar versatility. He's be a great 3rd day pick. Surratt is a more typical pure receiver, but he's a good one. I honestly wouldn't be shocked if he ends up being picked on day two.

It honestly won't surprise me either way. If they think Fields is the long term answer they should take him. Most people think he needs to sit and learn for a year anyway. They could let him do that and then trade Ryan leading up to next year's draft. If they aren't taking Fields or Fields isn't there, I think they'd be smart to listen to offers. Yeah, Pitts is an incredible prospect but turning down a potentially weighty trade offer to draft a TE? Oh wee mayne.

I'm saying not everything gets reported. The conversation almost certainly never went anywhere. They probably said #2 was straight up off the table. But there's zero chance we didn't at least ask in passing about it. There's zero reason not to. The worst that can happen is they say no. Okay, cool. So now we're still in the same spot we were in before.

Yes, it's my opinion. I don't know why you keep thinking my opinion is something I'm staying as stone cold truth. Have you ever negotiated anything in your life? If you think we had ongoing conversations with the Jets and never once asked even in passing about the availability of the #2 overall pick them I have some oceanfront property outside of Asheville that I'd like to present to you. Amazing investment opportunity. Truly a one of a kind property.

Oh, and you REALLY think that we had an ongoing conversation with the Jets for weeks and never asked out of curiosity, "Hey, since we're chatting and friendly... just for shits and giggles... what about that #2 overall pick?" C'mon man! Of COURSE we did.

It's stating the blatantly obvious that if a move is made the franchise ultimately thinks it will be beneficial. If that's your argument then you really don't have an argument. I get the hopefulness aspect. Darnold has intriguing talent and he was in a bad situation with a bad coach. I just don't get the attacking approach toward people who see the significant indicators both historically and with Darnold's actual okay that this is unlikely to ultimately work out. I'm not screaming from the rafters that Darnold is trash and will always be trash, but it's truthful that he WAS trash in NY. We're just making a bet that it had more to do with the situation than the player. Similar bets across the league throughout history usually haven't paid off. That's all I'm saying.

Yes, because literally everything comes to light. Every casual conversation between NFL executives with working relationship leaks word for word to the press. C'mon man. You're teaching so hard on this thread. We get it, you're very hopeful about Darnold. Cool. But you don't have to do these mental gymnastics and get all butthurt because others aren't nearly as hopeful.

Did they choose this path or was it actually forced on them? The Watson trade opportunity fell apart with the lawsuits. We swung and missed on Stafford. We reportedly at least had a conversation with SF about #3. Personally I think it's likely that we at least casually asked the Jets about #2 until they chuckled and suggested we talk about Darnold instead. The Teddy bridge was burned with all the shade we threw his way. Rolling with Teddy wasn't an option. It would've sent an awful message to the locker room. At best, Darnold was our #4 option this off-season behind Watson, Stafford, and trading up in the draft. Put the pieces together and it is what it is. The best bad option available.