LinvilleGorge

Simply suggesting that people wear masks and practice social distancing (which is by far the most prevalent messaging out there) is far from "hysteria". Shutdowns aren't warranted IMO. The data shows that wearing simple face masks and practicing social distancing is VERY effective.

Listen, we get it. For some of y'all, it won't matter if a million are dead. We'll be hearing about how that's well under 1% of the American population and it's still no big deal and still just a librul hoax to hurt Trump. It's interesting how the crowd that accuses the people who actually understand how to interpret data of only being emotionally driven.

Remember what I said about trends being very relevant?

If they were still sucking they wouldn't be.

good grief...

Both sources you're quoting with the 1/3 number are talking specifically about ICU, not general hospitalization. The CEO of the hospital was quoting general hospitalization numbers.

Trends are very relevant in terms of pandemics. I'm definitely not defending NY or NYC in any way. They did a terrible job. But, they're currently trending the right direction. The likes of Florida, Arizona, South Carolina, etc. definitely aren't.

Look at the graph. Those numbers were from a week and a half ago. 50% isn't far off from 60% anyway. I have to imagine the CEO of the hospital likely has more up to date info at his disposal regarding his hospital than the media.

I'm not even sure what you're trying to say here.

Last week, mask wearing in this part of NC was practically zero. It's still not great, but it's at least better than it was.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/06/29/coronavirus-live-updates-us/#click=https://t.co/HEfj2CVcBS Some interesting tidbits in here. Including... The CEO of a major Houston hospital reports that 60% of their hospitalized COVID patients are under the age of 50. The former head of the FDA says that half of the US population will likely contract COVID by the end of the year. On the one hand, this is a significant step toward herd immunity. On the other hand, we will see exactly what we hoped to avoid - namely widespread overrunning of our healthcare system leading to higher mortality rate from COVID and the unnecessary deaths of those who won't be able to get healthcare to treat other health ailments. We'll see people dying of treatable strokes, heart attacks, cancers, injuries, etc. Let's say the actual mortality rate of COVID is as low as 0.5%. Half of the US getting it would mean over 800k dead. That's basically the population of Charlotte disappearing. Given the decent likelihood of a vaccine as early as next spring this would be a brutal and very preventable massive loss of American lives. That's not even talking about the secondary loss of life from those other previously mentioned issues due to the healthcare system being overrun.

That's the problem with today's society. Relying on science and actual data is considered "activism". Good grief.

WD-40 and shoehorns? Not 100% effective. Useless.

LOL! That actually was a funny typo. I'll give ya that one.

Don't mind him, he's likely busy removing the seatbelts and air bags from his vehicle since they're useless due to the fact that they aren't 100% effective in the prevention of death or serious injury in the event of a crash.

I really hope you're being intentually dense. Because these arguments you're making are just laughable. I don't think anyone thinks the word "prevent" implies 100% efficacy. Good grief, man.

Are you being intentionally dense or does this just come naturally?

Well, I stand corrected. You've one upped yourself. You have now made an even worse semantical argument than your previous one regarding "prevent". Maybe you don't understand the definition of "semantic". Your argument is quit literally semantic.

Where are you pulling these numbers from? Meanwhile, somewhere your former English teachers are crying themselves to sleep from their failure. This is truly one of the worst semantic arguments I've ever encountered.

LOL Literally nothing about that definition implies efficacy. You wear a seatbelt to prevent dying in a car crash but it doesn't guarantee it. You wear a condom to prevent STDs and unwanted pregnancy but it doesn't guarantee it. You trying to keep those things from happening but you're not guaranteeing it. This is an odd semantic hill to choose to die on.

Nothing about the word "prevent" implies 100% efficacy. I figured Panthers fans of all people would understand this after watching Ron's prevent defenses allow blown out opponents back into the game time and time again.

That was idiotic. I understand why he said it, but it was still idiotic. He said it because supplies were low and they wanted to ensure that what supplies there were could be directed to medical professionals. Still, when you blatantly lie to people you have to understand you're destroying your credibility and public health officials have to maintain their credibility.

Even Mike Pence is advocating for wearing masks now. The evidence is overwhelming for their effectiveness in preventing the spread of this disease (and respiratory diseases in general). It was wildly irresponsible and reckless for them to be anti-mask for as long as they were, but it's vitally important for people to get this message going into 4th of July weekend. Memorial Day weekend was pretty much the kickoff for these current spikes.

Testing will never lower the actual mortality rate, it simply gives us a better picture of the situation. More widespread testing has allowed people who aren't at significant risk of severe illness to be more readily tested. That is a major if not THE major cause of the decreasing calculated mortality rate. Another significant factor is that we're just now getting to the point where healthcare systems in spiking areas are starting to feel some strain. They're not yet overwhelmed like they were in NYC during their spike. Either way, this idea that case count and mortality count are in no way correlated is just hilariously bad logic. All I have to do to show this is state that if case count is zero then the mortality count will also be zero. Everyone would say, "Well, no poo." Which is the point. It's a very basic concept.

You have to have no understanding of statistics what so ever to arrive at a conclusion like this.