LinvilleGorge

We've seen way too many promising rookies still end up flopping as pros. It's not like YGM lit it up in an every down role like Chinn. He just showed promise in a relatively limited role. If I'm the Texans I tell you to forget that YGM talk. I want Burns.

Yep. The track record is proven, even when I'd greatly prefer it to be wrong. *cough* Greg Little *cough*

Sigh... twist my arm... Whitehead and Boston it is.

There's no guarantee but it's about the closest thing to a guarantee that exists in player acquisition.

Oh, we definitely botched it. I think trading a mid-round pick for Minshew and his cheap contract would be most likely. Better than Teddy. Minimal cap impact. I hate being right when it hurts the Panthers. I was pissed about the Teddy signing from day one. I have no clue why we expected anything other than exactly what we got. I would've been much happier about drafting Herbert and being dead wrong about him.

Our reaction: The entire rest of the NFL's reaction:

I don't think it'll be Teddy. We'll trade for a Minshew or sign a Trubisky before we roll Teddy back out there again IMO. That bridge was burned so long ago the coals have grown cold.

I don't think anyone is trading for #3 before they know for sure who's going to be there.

I can't see it happening. I really think that if it's not a QB we're going to trade down and accumulate pickup more picks. Outside chance of taking a LT or CB, but I think trade down would be the most likely scenario. Rumor is that Rhule wanted to trade down last year. Fitts comes from the Seahawks who love trading down.

Meh... go big or go home. The guy already has generational wealth. Trust yourself and your people to make the right call. One of the big reasons why the Panthers are a ringless organization is due to historical organizational risk aversion. When given a choice, we have historically almost always chosen the safest path available. We've historically been Teddy Bridgewater. Ron Rivera. John Fox. Though the later two better capture our overall essence. Good enough to have brushes with greatness, too conservative to capture the prize.

If Zach Wilson ends up going #2, most if not all of those phones calls are gonna turn into...

That or to fill a glaring hole at a huge position of need when you have a franchise QB. If we had a franchise QB currently, I wouldn't be opposed to trading a 1st for a LT or legit starting CB. Those would be justifiable moves IMO.

I was just trying to give you an out on one of the more absurdly ridiculous Huddle trade posts ever. Congrats.

The big benefit of 1st rounders IMO is they're absolutely your best opportunity to add elite talent for the best value. I wouldn't trade 1st round picks wantonly but legit franchise QBs are the hardest roster piece to find and they're required if you want to compete for Super Bowls.

1st rounders are hugely valuable, but I feel like Panthers fans have a distorted view of that value. For the most part under Hurney, only 1st round picks mattered. The majority of the rest of the picks might as well have been spent on drafting Huddlers. The results wouldn't have changed significantly.

Did you suggest a straight trade of CMC for Watson? Then suggest that you might not even do that if you were us?

I agree he was the most frustrating but I don't think it was because he was so "bad" per se, but because it's easy to see how if he just had a bit of guts how much better he could be. He could easily be a Goff/Cousins level QB if he just didn't play terrified. I honestly don't think those guys are a bit more talented than he is and I have to admit that his actual arm strength was better than I expected. Still below average for an NFL QB but not the total liability level I fully expected. His utter conservativeness is a far bigger liability than his physical throwing ability.

It's gonna be hilarious when someone makes an alt just to take you up on this bet.

We can't trade for a QB then let Samuel walk and trade Anderson. At today's WR prices, Anderson was a pretty good bargain.

Hell, if they'd go for Shaq and/or Teddy I'd do backflips.

I'd prefer it be for three 1sts straight up, but all the talk has been that the Texans wants picks and a player(s). If that's the case, I'd rather it be CMC than someone like Burns simply due to positional value. I'd rather it be CMC than someone like Chinn simply due to the reality that Chinn still has three years left on a cheap rookie contract. I'd rather it be CMC than someone like Moore again due to positional value. What I will say though is that if CMC is part of the deal then IMO re-signing Samuel becomes borderline critical. Samuel filled in for CMC in a lot of ways last year.

Yeah, in that scenario I'd be okay with it. I'm just not completely convinced Samuel is going to be highly sought after. It's going to take someone who is willing to use him creatively like we have. If you just line him up as a WR and ask him to play a traditional WR type role you're gonna get hit with some significant buyer's remorse IMO.

Some of those names make no sense IMO. Ertz looks shot and I'd rather just pay and keep Samuel than go after Crowder.

Yep. Listen, I'm pissed we won that game. It really fuged us. But 90% of the blame is on Rivera and his terrible decision. The other 10% is on Haskins and him being terrible. Rivera played a terrible QB when his team was fighting for their playoff life. I mean, Ron Rivera and awful depth chart decisions kinda go hand in hand. We lose that game if he had simply played Heinicke the full game. With Ron choosing to play Haskins there wasn't much we could do to lose that game that wouldn't have been Eagles level blatant tanking and I'm not even confident that would've worked. Haskins was THAT bad.

Yeah, I'm not necessarily saying it IS a red flag, but it's definitely something I'd be talking to him about during the interview process and if I had guys on my staff with any connections to that Oregon staff I'd be talking to them about it too just to get their take on it. Hell, I'd go so far as to feign interest in some other Oregon prospect of I had to just to get the opportunity to throw a Shough question at them