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That comment wasn't about Maye. It was in response to suggesting that his and their team success is primarily about a soft schedule when they kicked the poo out of us and beat Buffalo who also kicked the poo out of us.

Ah yes, my bad. It's easy to forget those handful of games Frank coached. LOL

Hell, it's not what he did here when Bryce missed games his rookie year and old but not yet completely washed Dalton took the field.

Giants have been hit hard too. Starting RB and #1 receiver down in an overall weak WR corps and yet the rookie QB is still showing promise.

Doesn't have to be a long-term solution. Just had to be better than Bryce. I don't think we've really seen Canales' offense yet. This isn't what he ran in Tampa. I think Canales wants to threaten defenses vertically we just don't have a QB that can do it.

32 out of 32 teams would take Stroud over Bryce. If Houston called us and offered Stroud for Bryce, we'd have Stroud a flight to Charlotte booked before the phone was hung up

I wanted to trade for either Jameis or Howell before the trade deadline.

I'm definitely not all in on QB in the 1st. I'm just all in on keeping our options open. Give me a decent veteran journeyman in FA and then keep our options open in the draft.

Come week 14 we might be in even more need of the bye week than now. It's hard for me to complain about our injury issues when I look around the league and see teams like the Niners in far worse shape on that front still winning. Most of our injury issues are concentrated on the OL and fortunately that unit is still finding ways to play pretty well.

Everybody does. It's football. It's hard to be 100% healthy during football season.

Everything is a maybe. There are no sure things in the draft. Hell, there aren't even sure things in free agency. But we can't just keep pretending Bryce is a franchise QB.

Seriously. He was a bust of an NFL player but he still got fug you money balling ass rich and evidently he's packing a serious knee bruiser so damn... yeah, winning at life. LOL

There is no 100%. But continuing to pretend that Bryce is a franchise QB is 0%. I'm not gambling on a franchise savior. That's what we did when we traded up for Bryce. I'm simply saying to try to improve the most important position on the roster with a relatively low cost veteran and then go into the draft with QB fully on the board too. I'd like to see us emulate the Giants' approach this past off-season. They signed both Jameis and Russell Wilson, then drafted Jaxson Dart in the late first. Russell looked completely washed, Jameis is probably still Jameis, but Dart has showed a ton of promise. They gave themselves multiple chances and they're certainly thrilled that the one that is panning out is the one on a rookie contract with the longest future ahead of him.

Then you're not reading. I've said repeatedly that I'd sign a decent FA vet and I'd keep my options open in the draft. Guaranteed? There are no guarantees in life but seeing that Bryce is near the bottom of the league in virtually every QB metric and near the top of the league in every turnover metric it's a pretty fuging low bar to clear. What we can't do is just keep pretending that Bryce is a franchise QB. If Bryce had been a third round pick he would've gotten 3-4 starts and buried on the bench and might honestly be out of the league at this point. His draft status and the investment we made has carried him far enough. Now Rico is trying his ass off to keep carrying him but we have to evaluate the QB position like you evaluate any other position - on the merit of the individual play outside of the team's success or failure. Bryce is still playing like Bryce. The rest of the team has just dramatically improved.

The key difference being expectation. Jake was basically an afterthought of a free agent signing. Bryce is a guy we mortgaged the franchise on to be THE GUY. Not to mention a different era of football before all the rule changes to benefit the passing game. I don't care how we win either. I just realize that the odds of continuing to win in today's NFL with this level of QB play are very low. If I knew for sure that the Panthers had already decided to pursue other options at QB this off-season I could breathe a sigh of relief but of course they're not going to say that publicly.

On some of those "GWDs" he literally didn't even complete a pass. It's a terrible metric. Did the team possess the ball and score to go up near the end of the game? If yes, then GWD for the QB. What? Even if he doesn't even do anything?

That's 200 yards, a TD on a screen pass, a dropped INT, and a fumble recovered by us on the "Bryce curve".

It's a fact that both of the other kicks from similar range had been missed including the one from the Packers going in the same direction. Kicking a 50 yarder in the wind was deemed a better option than having Bryce throw again. That's not debatable. That's what we did. After Bryce threw a ball to an out route with an undercutting defender that could've potentially been picked that was it for throwing the ball. The forward pass was out of the playbook at that point. And honestly, that was the smart call. I'm not blaming Canales for that. We're playing the way we have to play with Bryce Young at QB. Canales is adapting well to that. Go back and watch that drive. The Packers were stacking the box every single play. They were trying to take away the run and the short passing game because they knew that's all we had. They were willing to give up 10 yard passes in the open field. They just didn't count on Rico ripping off a 19 yarder.

Close enough range? We'd already missed an XP earlier. The Packers had already missed a similar length FG earlier. The reality of the situation was that a fairly low percentage kicking opportunity given the conditions was a better bet than having Bryce throw another pass. We didn't trust him not to turn it over or not to take a sack. We'll just try a 50 yarder in the swirling wind when every other kick from this range today has been a miss.

Meanwhile she's like "uh... I just don't understand why men seem disinterested in me now" Ain't nobody trying to follow Mr. Three Soda Cans LOL

He completed 2 passes for 19 yards and then nearly threw an INT at which point we took the ball out of his hands and relied on Rico to drag us into long FG range and an inexperienced kicker to try a near 50 yarder in windy conditions because that was a better option than having Bryce throw another pass. Has it been windy for the majority of Bryce's career? Because 200+ yard games are the anomaly.

Sure. Their schedule is soft but like us sitting at 5-4 with a pretty soft schedule too, you play who's on the schedule. They absolutely creamed us. I'm sure it wouldn't have been AS ugly if we were riding Rico but that wouldn't have closed at 29 point gap.

You're just too casual to understand that "winning automatically equals good QB play" like the true football connoisseurs.

While there are people on this site celebrating Bryce "winning the game" when he threw for 102 yards, 0 TDs, a pick, and an INT? Maye is a second year player who is top 5 in the league in practically every relevant QB metric this year.

I don't think it has. I just think the position has become more and more vital to success. The days of dragging the Trent Dilfers and Brad Johnsons of the world to Super Bowls are over. People will point to Nick Foles but that guy played out of his mind in that Super Bowl run. He didn't play like a Trent Dilfer, he caught lightning in a bottle and played like a Hall of Famer for a very brief but very key period.