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If he had good hands and football skills with his measurables he'd have a lot better college production. The guy's hands looked allergic to leather at the combine in drills. Dropping everything.

We were drafting a football player, not a future PhD candidate. Classroom performance doesn't necessarily mean anything to NFL teams. Hell, they know a lot of these kids are just in college to try to get to the NFL. There's no interest in the academics at all. Legal issues off the field though? Yeah, that's a big deal. Especially with this team. JR just spent over $13M last year on a player who sat at home almost the entire year.

If it was a track and field event, he'd be a top 10 pick. Unfortunately the guy couldn't catch a cold if he was sitting naked in the arctic.

This. We just let a proven elite NFL pass rusher walk due to off-field concerns and everyone knows how much Gettleman loves his pass rushers.

Yeah, the FA WR market is starting to become like the RB FA market. The elite guys are still going to be paid very well, but unless you're elite you're not getting big money. Just too many rookies coming in and playing very well recently.

It's just a piece of the puzzle. A fast 40 certainly doesn't mean a player will be good and a slow 40 doesn't necessarily mean a player will be bad, but it's part of the evaluation process.

You mention Randy Moss and Dez Bryant, but conveniently leave out guys like Josh Gordon and Justin Blackmon.

No, I agree. But that's just where we're at. It's really incomparable to any other industry because in other industries you have to work your way up the ladder to get in a position to make millions. In pro sports, you're taking kids who oftentimes come from rough backgrounds handing them millions of dollars and throwing them in the spotlight immediately. When you think about it, it's amazing that there aren't a lot more Jamarcus Russell and Ryan Leaf type stories out there.

It's definitely not crazy when you're talking about making the type of huge investment that spending the #1 pick in the NFL draft represents. It's bigger than just the money. It's the value of that pick. It's the fact that a #1 overall draft pick QB is going to immediately become the face of your franchise. A franchise that's worth upwards of a billion dollars. It's a HUGE investment and anyone with any sense would commit a lot of resources to make sure the right decision is made.

A couple of years ago, a Harvard student group actually broke down the analytical skills of both Kiper and McShay. Their findings? They're both equally terrible. https://harvardsportsanalysis.wordpress.com/2012/05/25/equally-inaccurate-an-analysis-of-mel-kiper-jr-and-todd-mcshays-draft-rankings/

Not a big fan.

Forgot about Brandt. He's a good one too. Everyone's opinion is just that - their opinion. There's nothing anywhere even close to a consensus in terms of a player's draft prospects. Every team's draft board probably looks quite a bit different based on their scouts' opinions, their needs, and the type of systems they run.

Kiper and McShay are loud mouthed hacks. The only national media "draft experts" I pay much attention to are Cosell and Mayock.

I think the media has picked the Saints and Falcons to finish ahead of us every year for about a decade straight. It's certainly nothing new. It's as if the media thinks every other NFCS team has the ability to improve while the Panthers are bound to be worse than they were the previous season. It's weird.

Remember when people on this site used to constantly complain about UNC homers? The Miami homers have far surpassed any UNC homer annoyance.

Why would we want a head case like Marcus Peters, especially at #25? No thanks.

If we do something like sign Greg Jennings tomorrow, then you know Gettleman is a true troll at heart.

He may not be a hot topic of conversation, but I think virtually everyone assumes he'll be starting at DE opposite Charles Johnson.

Neither. They won't be the only two players on the board.

I'd bust a fuging nut if we landed Devante Parker. I really like Strong and would take him in an instant, but Parker? Wow. Blue goose.

I don't have any huge problem with any of the picks other than Perriman, but that is some serious east coast bias. Not a single pick from west of the Mississippi.

This. It's almost impossible for me to imagine him being worse than Chandler or Foucault.

Jaelen Strong in the 1st and Cedric Ogbuehi in the 2nd? Sign me up.

Yet, his former college coach who presumably knew him very well snatched him up very quickly when he became available. That's about as strong of an endorsement of Martin as I can imagine.

Very possible. Though, I don't think any pair of OTs will surpass the infamy of Bell/Chandler in the minds of Panthers fans for a long, long time. At least I hope not.