LinvilleGorge

I've long thought the NFL overvalues draft picks. Like I get it, the draft is by far your best bet at landing talent at a value but at the same time, it's also a crap shoot. If you can land solid proven vet talent with one of those long shot mid-round picks that's probably a smart move especially if you're a good team with an obvious hole or two. The Rams built a SB team and still have a good team by treating premium draft picks largely as pure trade bait.

100%. They basically have the offense we wish we had. They're entirely reliant on Jonathan Taylor making it run. If he goes down they're probably cooked. If they have to lean on Jones it'll probably get ugly fast.

Yeah, I think they just told the league that they're fully planning on signing Daniel Jones long-term. I think that's a move they'll regret but we'll see how it plays out for them. For their sake I hope they have the big picture items of the deal basically already hammered out because they just handed his agent a ton of leverage dealing away two 1sts.

That's the modern NFL offense. The majority of the passing game is quick hitters but with enough deep shots mixed in to keep the D honest.

Opponents are going to adapt. If I'm facing the Panthers as a HC I'm telling my DC that we better not lose this game because Rico goes for 150+ and we aren't selling out against the run. We need to be playing run first D on everything but 3rd and 10+. We have to force Bryce Young to beat us with his arm. I want to see heavy fronts and stacked boxes all game long. If Rico STILL beats us then well damn, hats off.

I don't look at any particular individual metric, more the bigger picture. If you're near the top of the league in most metrics you're probably playing pretty well. If you're near the bottom in most you're probably ass. The tougher ones to sort out are the guys who are a mixed bag.

He's still human. When you go out and fail over and over again it's going to impact you. And yeah, I absolutely think Fields looks like (and talks) like a guy who is really struggling with his confidence as a player and for good reason.

I've always thought it odd that the QB is the only guy in the roster who carries a record. If a RB puts up 1200 yards but the team sucks then everyone still says the RB had a good year. If a QB puts up good numbers put the D is atrocious and the win loss record isn't great due to that then the narrative is that the QB can't win. Now that we're finding a way to win with suddenly dominant D and dominate running game people are trying to shift to this "Bryce is just a winner" narrative while he puts up bottom of the league numbers while near the top of the league in turnovers. It's just funny to watch.

I mean, he'd have to be delusional to still have a high degree of confidence in his abilities on an NFL field. When he tried to make a confident downfield throw this week it ended in a god awful throw that was easily picked. He can take shots downfield but they have to be the perfect opportunities. If the pocket is muddy at all he can't go downfield. Just don't even try.

At least with the Allen and Walker defenders there was some argument to be made that we were getting at least the expected level of play out of an afterthought of a player. I mean, the vibe around Bryce would be completely different if he was a UDFA or 7th rounder. I don't think anyone (well, okay maybe not anyone but at least very few) would be trying to delude themselves into believing he was the answer but a lot of people would be happy for the youngster holding it together and at least not just flat out losing us games.

I mean, Dalton is incredibly washed up at this point. We did play differently with Dalton in the past. Dalton has just regressed to Bryce level as a passer except with 40 year old legs

Probably. I mean, when Bryce gets hit there's a decent chance he fumbles. He probably has the highest hit:fumble ratio in the league if someone tracks that metric.

"They're playing the way they have to play with Bryce Young at QB." Canales is adapting to the cards he's holding. This isn't the way he wants to play, it's the way he has to play right now.

You have to be honest though. Are we winning because of Bryce or despite Bryce? I mean, were celebrating a drive where he went 2/4 for 19 yards and a near INT and Rico ran us into FG range. That's how low the bar has gotten.

Yeah, I can't see it. He might be able to get a Mac Jones type deal. Jones signed a two year/$8M contract.

It's literally only his draft status, that massive trade cost, and his general agreeability that keeps floating him.

Agreed. You can get Bryce level play out of a cheap veteran journeyman. It's not hard to replace basement tier game manager production with gunslinger turnover numbers and a low ceiling. Honestly, Bryce is the type of QB who should be trying to barely hang onto the bottom of a roster somewhere when you just objectively look at his production, his turnovers, and his talent ceiling.

I don't disagree. When I say "mid-tier" I'm thinking roughly in thirds. Yeah, Lawrence is probably near the bottom of that "mid" third. Nowhere near worth either his draft status nor his current contract. But Bryce is near the bottom of that bottom third.

I think you're significantly underselling how bad Bryce has been. Lawrence isn't very good but he's basically a mid-tier starting QB. A significant disappointment given his hype and draft status but significantly better than Bryce. Honestly if Bryce had simply been the #1 overall pick minus the hefty trade up I think we've probably already turned the page by now. It's just really hard to swallow that bitter pill that you blew it when you have that much invested.

I hope we take an approach similar to what the Giants did. They signed both Jameis Winston and Russell Wilson then still went out and drafted Jaxson Dart in the late 1st. If you don't have a QB you can't leave any stone unturned. Wilson was ass, Jameis is probably still Jameis, but Dart is looking very promising. They gave themselves three chances.

Being a good guy doesn't mean you don't get bashed by the media. See Sam Darnold through his struggles.

It's there in the post you quoted. 3rd.

Its that he's been putting up some of the worst QB numbers in the league for three years now and the knives aren't out for him. They were all wrong about him and they can't accept it. The QBs they turn on had doubters going into the draft. The entire football media world was sold on Bryce despite his very obvious flaws. Never seen anything like it.

Bryce's rankings right now: Passing yards: 25th Completion percentage: 30th TDs: 21st Yards per attempt: 34th Passer rating: 30th QBR: 24th Now that we've covered all the areas where Bryce is somewhere between bad and awful, let's shift to the things where Bryce is elite tier... Total turnovers: tied for 3rd most in the league INTs: tied for 3rd most in the league INT %: tied for 6th most in the league Bad throws: tied for 4th most Bad throw %: 4th Fumbles: tied for 3rd most in the league Bryce puts up basement level game manager stats with gunslinger turnover numbers and zero big play potential. That's the worst combination of traits possible.

"Bryce has won..." Good grief. We are 30th in the league in pass yards per game and 5th in rushing yardage per game. Meanwhile, Bryce is tied for the third most turnovers in the league despite missing a game while putting up these pathetic numbers. Bryce is getting carried. We are winning despite Bryce not because of him. It is what it is.