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Figure it out over the last few games.

Draft status follows you. 1st rounders get chance after chance. Mid-rounders often don't. I mean, they get roster chances but not necessarily chances to compete for starting roles, especially at QB. Evidently the Seahawks were interested in Howell in the draft and the guy on the staff primarily responsible for scouting him was their QB coach at the time... Dave Canales. Canales was the Seahawks representative sent to the UNC pro day. https://seahawkswire.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/seahawks/2022/03/28/seahawks-quarterbacks-coach-unc-sam-howell-pro-day/80280994007/

I'd obviously love Howell and we gotta do something to upgrade the QB room even if we do pickup Bryce's 5th year option. We can't go into another season with Bryce and the washed up ghost of what used to be Andy Dalton.

Yeah, I'd honestly rather be sitting on Bryce with no major future commitment than Lawrence on a franchise QB contract. The former situation gives you options, you're pretty much stuck with the status quo for the foreseeable future in the latter.

I think need is always factored into the BPA equation. I mean, of course every team is always going to claim their draft pick was the BPA on their board. It's not like a team is ever going to admit that they passed on perceived better talent to take a player based on need but I think "BPA" really means "BPA for our team" and that factors in things like roster need, scheme fit, etc. that aren't necessarily related to pure talent level.

Not so sure we were ready to pounce on Graham due to the position he played versus just seeing him as the far and away BPA if he was there. Also not sure in hindsight that all that Graham talk wasn't a smokescreen to begin with.

I mean if the goal is to compete for national championships perennially there's really no debate where the better chance of that is between Ole Miss and LSU. LSU has three in the last 25 years while Ole Miss only had five winning seasons (and only one 10+ win season) since 2000 prior to Kiffin's arrival.

Just let the season play out. If Bryce continues to be an effective game manager and we're competitive, we're gonna pickup the option. I don't love it but it is what it is. Any talk of a lucrative franchise QB extension at this point is insanity though, but this is David Tepper we're talking about here so all bets are off.

Yep. Everyone knew the deal at that point. I liked the analogy Saban made. Like imagine it's the NFL and the Bears are headed to the playoffs but the Giants call Ben Johnson up and they're like "So your buyout is $60M? Cool. Done deal." and now you have a playoff bound NFL team whose coach is leaving to go to a division rival with the playoffs right around the corner. That's pure chaos and that's why the NFL doesn't allow that to happen but that's exactly what's going on right now with Ole Miss and LSU with Lane Kiffin. The NCAA has to put in guardrails to stop that type of situation from being able to happen.

I just don't have much sympathy for Ole Miss here. I mean, you had to know who you were hiring. Did you really expect Lane Kiffin to be there for 20 years? He's always looking for a better opportunity which, I mean hell, I get it. I do agree with Saban on this one though. The NCAA needs to create better guardrails on this stuff. You can't have coaches leaving to take other jobs and the transfer portal opening up while games are still being played.

Not gonna pretend like we played great but I'll take a win over UK in Rupp short a key upperclassmen starter all day everyday.

I hope Wallace can develop but he's a liability as a starting LB at this point. He didn't take the rookie to sophomore leap I was hoping he would.

I'm glad Dookie V beat cancer but holy fug I wish he'd retire. The guy has been insufferable for decades. Just go away.

I should add though that sometimes it's the guy who people thought was the lesser of the two that ends up being the one that was being carried. Courtney Brown and Lavar Arrington at PSU comes to mind immediately. Everyone thought Brown was Julius Peppers but I told my college buddy who was a big LSU fan that it was very obvious to me that Lavar was the player. He was insistent that Brown was the actual stud and I'm like yeah man, I'm just not seeing it. That Lavar guy is the one that's jumping out to me.

Formation has always been a big indicator. Shotgun used to be a big indicator of pass and now under center is a big indicator of run. It's just that the "normal" formation flip flopped.

It's not college coaches' job to develop NFL QBs. It's NFL coaches' jobs to turn college players into NFL players. I'm not sure it's not due to preference. There's more and more focus on trying to get the ball out fast and that's easier to do out if shotgun. That the NFL is running the ball at a near 70% clip from under center tells you a lot. The dichotomy has flipped. Shotgun used to be a largely passing down formation with under center being the norm while now under center has largely become a running down formation with shotgun being the norm.

Where are you finding these under center QBs in the college game? The college game is almost exclusively shotgun. It's not just the QBs being drafted, it's the college game period and honestly in recent decades the college game has been driving the NFL game more so than vice versa. Shotgun used to be a small percentage of NFL snaps, basically just obvious passing downs and stuff like the read option, RPOs, "mobile" QBs, etc. were just scoffed at by the NFL. All of these things are staples of a modern NFL offense.

Finding a college QB that has experience working from under center is basically impossible to find at this point. Hell, even the NFL has become heavy shotgun. Almost two thirds of NFL offensive snaps are out of the shotgun and nearly 70% of from under center snaps are running plays. There are only four teams in the league this year who have ran more offensive snaps from under center than out of shotgun. The Vikings are heaviest in the league from under center at 70%. The Ravens are heaviest in the league out of shotgun at a whopping 96%.

I'm very suspicious when there's two guys considered elite NFL prospects in the same college unit. The way it usually plays out is one of them was being carried by the other one and only one of them pans out to be a legit top tier NFL player. Not always, but usually.

I like Mendoza but I'm honestly not sure he's much more than a high level game manager at the NFL level. A bit more raw talented version of Purdy if you will. I haven't seen enough of the Oregon guy to have much of an opinion. Looking forward to seeing him in the playoffs. Everyone else? I have significant questions about any of them being 1st round worthy.

With the way the season has played out so far... When i realize that might make Tepper prone to do something really stupid like give Bryce a franchise QB extension...

Wow. This Vandy season might not be a fluke.

Honestly, it's up there. Given our injuries going into the game and how the Rams had been playing I think virtually everyone being honest with themselves thought we were gonna get throttled. Going into that game I think the vast majority of Panthers fans would've been perfectly willing to accept a competitive loss fully expecting another ass whooping along the lines of the Pats or Bills game.

It's not rookie Chase or Jefferson numbers but it's typical best rookie WR numbers.