LinvilleGorge

I have no ill feelings toward Dalton. Hell, I have no ill feelings toward Bryce or Pickles or Armanti Edwards or anyone this organization has terribly overspent on. That's a complaint toward the organization. All I ask from players is to come in, out in the work, be open to coaching, etc. By all accounts all of those guys were/are. They either weren't good enough or in Dalton's case just over the hill and completely washed up. I ain't mad about a guy cashing a check offered to them. I would too.

I guess reddit is where people like this hang out?

Why you quoting me saying nobody wanted to listen? I was always onboard with picking T-Mac.

I'm okay with it. I mean, anyone in a PS in October isn't very good. We haven't been able to rush the passer all year and then this week we were atrocious against the run too. It's not like we'd be taking snaps away from pass rushers. You got a be able to do something. If you can't stop the run and you can't rush the passer then you're gonna get 40 hung in you. That's the case at any level of football be it NFL, college, HS, whatever.

We're playing the way we have to play on offense with our QB room.

Yeah, if you're gonna make a move like that it needs to be for a guy who checks every box down the line. And honestly, the last guy who did that is still looking very mid himself down in Jacksonville. There's no such thing as a sure thing in the NFL draft.

Everybody says Evans but I think they're too caught up in height. Mike Evans is an absolute beast. He's basically prime David Boston except he didn't derail his career with weight issues. He absolutely physically overwhelms people. That's not T-Mac. T-Mac's size is an asset but it's honestly secondary to his route running, sneaky speed, and natural body control.

You don't have to convince me of that. I've watched Bryce the super processing PG mentality wizkid play 30+ NFL games.

I'll never be convinced that Reich wanted anything to do with Bryce. As soon as we zeroed in on Bryce and it was obvious he was going to be the pick it just seemed like the wind went out of his sails and he was just like "fug it, I'm just gonna go through the motions until they send me packing". I still just want to know whether he was led to believe he'd have more sway in the QB decision or if he just felt that he'd be more persuasive in his arguments and be able to get his way.

He's talking about Bryce's rookie season. I'm done talking about his rookie season. A lot of the issues have been addressed and Bryce still looks like his ceiling is low level game manager. He just has too many physical shortcomings to overcome and the frustrating thing is that seemed blatantly obvious to me and many others on here coming into the draft. You just can't recreate Saban-era Alabama in the NFL where you have a talent advantage at nearly every position across the board almost every game.

The similarity is that Shedeur is still gonna be Shedeur. Major distraction with marginal NFL talent. That's why he plummeted in the draft and very well may have gone undrafted if the Browns owner didn't step in and tell the football people to get him those press clippings.

I think he'll get there in that regard. I actually think the better comp stylistically for T-Mac is Larry Fitzgerald but I didn't want to get the blowback from that comp. LOL I'm not saying T-Mac will be Fitzgerald, I'm just saying they win in similar ways. They're big guys but aren't necessarily physically overpowering. They win with good route running, sneaky speed, and great hands.

I mean, how many QBs currently in the league would've actually been worth what we gave up in that trade? A handful at most. You're banking on this guy being a surefire perennial All-Pro MVP candidate future HOFer. That's an extreme longshot bet in the draft no matter how you slice it.

Especially when you're all in on a guy who has a historic lack of NFL measurables. The comps out there for Bryce are non-existent. I've never seen the entire football world so collectively completely overlook a total lack of measurables like that before. Usually draft prospects get nitpicked to death to the point of absurdity but with Bryce it was everyone coming up with mental gymnastics as to why he'll be able to totally overcome it.

This is the thought process from Browns ownership that brought Shedeur to Cleveland. Is everyone just going to willfully continue to ignore that Shedeur looked completely awful except against our camp bodies? He didn't do anything in that game until we pulled all of our starters and primary backups and he didn't do anything in any of his other appearances.

You're putting all your eggs in one basket with a move like that. Not just at the QB position, but the roster as a whole due to what you're having to give up. If you miss you're fuged. That's not our only issue but a lot of our issues are downhill of that massive mistake.

They'll be wearing the leather helmet throwbacks while ironically it's us who should be running a leather helmet era offense. We suck at QB and we have a damn good running game. We should be running the ball 60% of the time and leaning on play action to try to open up the passing game.

The problem with making that move up for Bryce is that if he's not a HOFer it basically wasn't worth it. You're going to be in a roster talent deficiency for several years due to the amount of roster building capital we had to give up. And the bust rate for QBs is just too high to go THAT all in on a prospect. If we had earned the #1 overall pick and didn't have to trade all that capital to get it we wouldn't be in near as bad of a spot overall. But when you go all in and it blows up in your face it hurts bad and it hurts for years.

That's never gonna be T-Mac's game. He's basically a Plaxico Burress clone. XL was drafted to be that guy he just sucks.

Agreed. It's tough for me to honestly evaluate Canales as an offensive coach given our QB room. Now with that said, his reluctance to lean into Rico isn't promising.

This. fug the contract. fug the draft pick investment. It's a sunk cost. fug protecting guys from competition. Try to upgrade every position group on the roster when and where you have the opportunity. Just accumulate as much talent as you can and then play the best football players, period. It's long been my suspicion that Evero is very poor at identifying talent for his scheme. He always seems to be trying to force square pegs into round holes.

It's good that there's options. If people want nothing but warm and fuzzy rah rah stuff, they're better off at reddit or over on the discord channel that the some folks left for awhile back. We're never going to attempt to moderate and shape the viewpoints on this forum. I don't really understand the point of it if you try to do that. But to each their own. I'm just glad they have somewhere to go versus constantly coming to the Huddle to complain about how awful the Huddle is. LOL That's one thing we will moderate. If your only purpose of being here is to constantly complain about how awful the Huddle is and how miserable it makes you then ultimately we'll step in to save your from yourself and your self torture to invite you to find some other place to hang out online.

It's a sad reality that the Panthers would've honestly been better off over the past several years to make major decisions via Huddle poll than going with the decisions they actually made. People say "oh, you think you know more than the professionals?" No, I don't. I know that. That's why it's so baffling watching them making obvious huge blunders in real time.

It's impossible to predict what might be going through Tepper's head. He's shown a very quick trigger finger at times and maddening levels of patience at other times. So who knows?

A lot for them and little for us.