LinvilleGorge

What position do the Panthers historically not suck at drafting in the 2nd round? Our 2nd round draft history looks like good teams' 6th round draft history.

I like Warren but I honestly think he's a little overrated. Brock Bowers at UGA looked like a man among boys in college. Like Gronk. Running past, through, over everybody while Moss'ing dudes. Warren isn't that. He's catching a bunch of balls while blanketed. I don't see him beating a lot of tight man coverage. Maybe it won't matter. Jason Witten is an all-time great TE and did that his entire NFL career. He didn't wow with anything, he just found ways to catch balls and move the chains over and over again for years by doing everything textbook.

I wouldn't hate T-Mac or Warren at #8. Not necessarily my preference but I wouldn't hate it. #57? Maybe Higgins? Jalen Royals? 3rd round? Maybe Tai Felton? Jalin Noel? I think CSU's Tory Horton is being slept on big time. He put up big time numbers the previous two years but missed most of this season with an injury. Out of sight out of mind. He ran a 4.41 40 with a 37.5" vertical at the Combine at 6' 2.5" 196.

I'd probably take Jalon Walker. I'm going to try him as an edge with a backup plan of making him an off the ball LB. I'm not certain which role he'll ultimately play but I do think he's gonna be a player. I like T-Mac but I think he probably projects as "good" more than great. I like Warren a lot but I don't think he's Brock. I like Starks but I'm not sold on him being an elite safety. I wouldn't be mad about picking any of the three though. The guy I don't want is Shemar Stewart but if we draft him I'll just hope I'm wrong and he proves to be great.

And I'd do it all day long unless someone very unexpected was there. Graham is about the only outlier potential that would have me considering making the pick vs. taking 12 and 44.

Same thing was said about Micah Parsons. We'll see.

We made a big deal about heavily involving Evero in last year's defensive roster building process and the end result was the worst defense in NFL history. I'd heavily involve him in the process again this year and be sure to NOT do what he wants to do. LOL

This is why it's probably going to be hard to trade down. This draft is fairly light on top tier talent but pretty deep in talent of that next tier down. I don't think there's going to be a lot of teams clamoring to move up and numerous teams might be entertaining moving down. Not a good market to trade down if that's the case. The Cowboys (Jerry Jones) falling in love with Jeanty feels like the best bet but from what I'm seeing a lot of NFL talent evaluators see little if any daylight between Jeanty and Hampton.

How is this supposed to work on college? How are you supposed to recruit with a one year interim coach?

It was pretty much just the diehard Clemson homers who would've wanted Simmons over Brown. I think most of the talk about Simmons was assuming Brown wasn't going to be available. And honestly he probably wouldn't have been aside from that Combine heart related health concern.

I think what folks have to accept is that every prospect can bust. Even the "safe" ones.

Parsons spent much of his college career playing as an off the ball LB. The concern with Parsons wasn't lack of production. The concern was whether he was an edge rusher or off the ball LB. Parsons also had 192 tackles and 19 TFLs in two seasons. Stewart had 65 and 12 in three years. Wrap your head around that. We're talking about a guy who averaged 22 tackles and 1.5 sacks per season as a potential top 10 pick. I don't think I've ever seen a guy who did so little in college being talked about being drafted this highly. His measurables scream top 3 pick. His "production" screams UDFA who is just hoping to get a camp invite somewhere and probably needs to be working on his non-football resume.

He might be a slam dunk to be the first guy out of this draft class to end up in prison. LOL

Aaron Curry 2.0. Some guys check every box and still bust. Just a good reminder that there's no such thing as a sure thing in the draft.

Watch him play. Watch how many times he gets around a single block and then just not even coming close to actually getting a sack. I mean NOT EVEN CLOSE. It's like watching a really athletic blind man just flailing.

https://texags.com/forums/5/topics/3531986 Oh wee mayne... I really hope we stay away from this workout warrior.

An isolated incident with a guy that everyone else is vouching for is one thing. But when it's an issue time and again with multiple people in multiple locations... well, where there's that much smoke there's usually fire.

He's a projected 1st round pick, likely high 1st round pick. Teams are going to absolutely POUR through his background. They're going to talk to everyone they can find who knows this guy. Current and former teachers, current and former coaches, current and former teammates, current and ex-girlfriends, current and former friends, and on and on. If the guy is lazy and/or doesn't love football they'll find out.

Bingo. I'm not pounding the table for T-Mac. I absolutely think he has the tools to be a good NFL WR. Great? Eh... I'm not sure I'm confident about that.

Did you watch that Colorado game? I did. Despite being blown out Arizona ran the ball 34 times to only 26 passing attempts. Why? Because their OL absolutely could not protect the QB. They gave up more sacks (7) than they had in their six games prior to that one. It's hard to complete passes from your back or while you're running for your life and that was what they were dealing with in that game. Its like when Greg Olsen only had 4 catches for 41 yards and 0 TDs on 9 targets in SB50. Yeah, if you're just looking at the boxscore you might say that he got shutdown but if you actually watched the game you'd never talk about that because of the overall situation in the game. It wasn't that simple.

Not loving watching film at a position that doesn't require a ton of film study doesn't necessarily equate to not loving football. I loved sales but I hated the bullshit of forecasting and analysis that wasn't helping me hit my numbers and was just forced on me by dinosaur management that thought that doing those things was required to excel and that there was a one size fits all approach to success.

The analogy holds. You're just stuck on a viewpoint that doesn't allow you to see it. There's just not that much for most positions to know. WR isn't QB. A WR needs to be able to recognize coverage and know what to do on options routes. That's honestly about it. He's better off spending extra time on the field refining his route running than watching more film. If he doesn't want to do that now you have real red flags.

I was a top performing sales rep at every company I worked at. I didn't do half of the forecasting and analysis work of most of the other sales reps because I didn't need to. I focused on what moved the needle and ignored the noise. Just because someone doesn't get bogged down on the tedious elements of their role doesn't mean that they lack work ethic or whatever bullshit. Football is like sales, all that matters at the end of the day is the results that you produce. Everything else is just noise and the people that don't produce try to hide their lack of production by appearing to work super hard. That doesn't impress me. Put up numbers. Period. Nothing else matters

That's a huge reach based on one of the cuff comment from years ago. LOL