LinvilleGorge

Well, until he got stabbed by a 69 year old man defending himself from being assaulted. Now he's the butt fumbler who was nearly killed by a 69 year old man while being a drunken asshole. Just when you think your legacy has hit rock bottom... LOL

Yep. The Golden Calf of Bristol, Kaepernick, late career Cam, Shedeur's draft slide... they all come down to the reality that teams don't want a distraction out of a guy they see as a likely a backup QB. And instead of the media acknowledging their major role in that situation, they just double down and make it worse and confirm teams' suspicions that yeah... not worth it.

I think it basically came down to the NFL seriously doubting his ability to be a starting NFL QB and not wanting to bring on all the outside noise that he'd bring for a backup. Backup QBs are expected to be out of sight and out of mind. That doesn't exactly fit the wheelhouse of Shedeur and the Sanders clan, not to mention all the media clamoring about it. Then when he just blew off the entire pre-draft process (which he essentially flat out admitted to) I think he probably dropped completely off a lot of draft boards.

I think the problem is that the ceiling is "consistently mediocre" with "occasionally good" and the one great performance.

I think we've seen Bryce's ceiling. It's basically his recent play. If the D is playing well and you can lean on the running game and just let him dink and dunk and pray he can hit one or two downfield throws you can win with Bryce. But your margin of error is extremely small and you're gonna need a turnover margin advantage to beat good teams with that formula.

You won't just admit that you tried to cherry pick stats to prove a point and got called out for it? C'mon man... I mean, that's literally exactly what you did. You argument boils down to "I think a thing and no measurable metrics will convince me otherwise" then you tried to use some metrics to demonstrate your point and just proved me right. LOL I get it, "lies, damn lies, and statistics". You can cherry pick numbers to argue just about anything you want... except when all the numbers are screaming the opposite.

I'm glad someone involved in the process here is manning up and saying the quiet stuff out loud. "I think Pete's [ND athletic director], his behavior has been egregious," Yormark said. "It's been egregious going after Jim Phillips, when they saved Notre Dame during COVID. ... The chair said that as Notre Dame and Miami got closer together, head-to-head would be a factor, OK?" https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/47261132/big-12-brett-yormark-calls-notre-dame-pete-bevacqua Just more absolute cuck bullshit from the ACC though. You need another conference commissioner to step in and say what you should be saying while you continue to kowtow to ND and create excuses for them like a battered spouse? GTFOH... with the "oh he loves me, he won't do it again" ass bullshit while you're sitting there with a black eye and a lump upside your head while he's strutting around saying "yeah, she learned her lesson this time she won't be trying me again like that". The quicker this ends in an divorce the better off the kids will be for it.

I'll give you Nine, Geno, Tua, and Penix. Flacco was a guy playing due to injury, not a planned starter. I honestly think Bryce would probably only be playing better than Nine and Penix if you inserted him onto those respective rosters though.

Name me 9-14 guys who went into the season as planned starters that you'd say Bryce is clearly better than.

He's pretty close to the bottom of actual starters. Not backups playing due to injury but guys tabbed as teams as "this is our starting QB". There's not many of those guys you can make a compelling argument that Bryce is demonstrably better than that guy.

I'm pretty sure Shedeur is gonna be a flash in the pan but I'm also pretty sure that if he continues to play decently that he's not gonna be avaliable anyway. And if he is made available yeah, it could be the Browns doing Browns things again but it would be a pretty big red flag. Organizations just don't part with QBs who have shown much of anything after only a rookie season. You're talking about a potential valuable asset on a bottom of the barrel contract. The only way they'd consider moving hin if he continues to show much is if they think they're absolutely fleecing the other team.

I didn't pick up anything odd. If anything it's comforting that he's not pounding his chest acting like we've arrived because we finally have some meaningful games in December.

I think higher potential ceiling is pretty much confirmed.

Sigh... go back and read the post I quoted and then honestly try to tell me you weren't cherry picking metrics to try to make your point. Then you pick two games (with a combined 14 passing attempts in them) out of 20 total games (with a combined 631 passing attempts in the other 18 games) to further demonstrate you aren't cherry picking? I mean... I guess I should thank you for taking the time to demonstrate my point. LOL

That's why it's important not to cherry pick specific metrics which is what you're doing here to try to make your argument that stats don't matter. But when a guy is superior across the board... I mean, you're left with a real uphill battle to make a compelling argument with concrete data to back it up. You're basically left with trying to make the argument that despite this guy performing worse in practically every measurable metric of QB play, I think he's actually a better player. That's a tough case to make.

I'm not saying they tell the whole story, but when a guy is measurably better at everything it seems logical to conclude that... well, he's better. It's pretty rare to compare two players where one is measurably better across the board and try to argue that the lesser performer is actually the better player. You'd expect to be able to find something to hang your hat on in the numbers.

I mean, without some sort of concrete metrics you're basically just left with a pure opinion argument. I would expect a better player to be metrically superior at something. When one guy is measurably superior across the board it's speaking pretty loudly.

I would've loved to have had Howell get a shot to play under Pete Carroll but Carroll has obviously developed some pretty bad Geno Smith goggles in his final years and it might bounce him out of the league.

I wish I knew what DC's scouting report on Howell was. He was the QB coach in Seattle at the time and they were scouting Howell pretty hard. So obviously DC either wasn't very high on him or lost those arguments in the draft room. I will say the Seahawks had a pretty solid draft that year so it wasn't like they were picking bums over Howell. Their 3rd round pick has started all 42 games he's been healthy and their 4th round pick has started 32 games for them. So it very well could've been that DC was slamming the table for Howell but they simply had players higher on their board available.

He's just competitive as hell. He wants to compete. I mean, the guy basically tanked his own draft status his final year in college playing like The Golden Calf of Bristol because that's what the Heels needed him to do to compete because we only had one D1 level WR on the roster and everyone was doubling him. I just can't see him ever being happy sitting around holding a clipboard. But if I was in his camp I'd be beating it into his head that a backup QB job is still one helluva job to have and to suck it up and do it if it comes down to it because it beats the hell out of going and getting a "real" job.

I'd love for Howell to get another chance as a starter simply because I feel like he got a raw deal in Washington. He was playing for a pass happy OC who was really doing more auditioning for a HC role that he felt like he'd been getting passed over for than he was actually trying to run a functional offense. They passed the ball at a higher rate than any other offense in the league that year despite starting a second year player first year starter with an OL that couldn't pass protect at all and a lot of his league leading INTs came while trailing late throwing YOLO balls trying to comeback. Basically the perfect recipe for a bunch of turnovers. My concern for Howell long term in the NFL is that if he's not a starter I don't think he has the mentality of a long term backup. He's not a guy that's just gonna smile and cheerlead and be happy to hold a clipboard.

Sure I can. I've been wrong before and I'll be wrong again. Am I sitting here begging for us to sign Sam Howell to a franchise QB contract or a one year $27M contract? Nope. I'm saying I want us to sign a more physically talented veteran QB to a reasonable short-term contract compete with Bryce next year and Howell fits that bill. Howell is my pick in large part because he's my favorite college QB of all-time. But if we signed someone like say Mariota instead, honestly that's fine too.

Comparing NFL to college isn't exactly an apples vs. apples comparison with the drastically different levels of competition. Timmy Chang didn't face anywhere near the level of competition that guys in major conferences faced. Right now? With Baker seemingly limited by injury? Yeah those guys might be better than the Baker of right now.