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KC would make all the sense in the world. Buffalo could be a sleeper.

lol so basically your argument is...

I think it's absolutely physical. He took more risks downfield earlier in his career and it resulted in more INTs. You kinda have to scheme up his deep shots and take advantage of teams expecting the ball to be ran. It's not a coincidence that all three of Bryce's 20+ yards attempts yesterday came on down and distances where historically you'd expect a high likelihood of a run or short pass based on studying Panthers film. His two 20+ yards completions came on 4th and short. The incomplete attempt came on 1st and 10.

There's relentless discussion of Panthers football and the most important position of football on a site dedicated specifically to the discussion of Panthers football... my god, who would've expected such a wild thing???

The Packers have had 30+ years of good QB play with this model. It's like with anything, its easier to shop for something when you're not in desperate need. The Packers traded a 2nd round pick for Favre and they drafted Rodgers and Love both in the late 1st when they didn't have an immediate need but were looking toward the future. Now granted, it's also worth noting that they did only manage two rings with three decades of 1st ballot HOFer QB play and it's fair to argue that they may have been better off going all in trying to maximize those final years of thise guys but the path they've taken has led to them being a contender more often than not.

Oh for sure. It's absolutely nerve wracking knowing that Bryce's camp will be pushing for that extension coupled with Tepper's Panthers history of making terrible decisions.

Lazy is taking someone's point and grossly exaggerating it. Like acting like there isn't a massive gulf between less than 20 attempts and over 40 attempts. Like ignoring that I specifically said "beat a top team". We've beaten two likely playoff teams in the Rams and the Packers. Bryce had 19 and 20 attempts in those games, respectively. Hence my comment that the formula for us to beat good teams is to run the ball, force turnovers, and limit Bryce to under 20 attempts. That's because it has been. That's not "lazy", that's just honestly looking at how to season and the majority of his career has played out thus far. You're just trying to reframe the nature of the argument to fit a narrative that I didn't make that you evidently want to argue against anyway.

Cart before the horse y'all. There's several games left. Let it play put. Of Bryce keeps being an effective game manager and we're competitive we're probably picking up the option. I'm fine with that in that scenario as long as we add competition. If Bryce goes back to throwing for 130 yards and a TD with an INT and a strip sack then we shouldn't pick it up. I'm not sure we'll have the guts as an organization to make that call and thats where all of my angst originates but let's just see where it goes. Well..We'll... I guess the REAL angst is the concern that if Bryce continues to play like he did yesterday that it wouldn't be out of the question for Tepper's Panthers to back up the Brinks truck and pay him like a franchise QB.

If Bryce played like he did yesterday consistently I wouldn't have a problem with it. He's never going to be a guy who thrives off of insistently pushing the ball down the field or driving the ball into tight spots. He can still play well if he can make a few of those throws per game to keep the D honest it just honestly gives us a smaller margin of error as an overall offense and team versus most NFL QBs. It just is what it is. Bryce has to be almost perfect given his skill set and that's why he struggles with consistency. He just has a much smaller margin of error than a QB with better physical tools.

It's basically bend but don't break which has really become the go to defensive model in the NFL. That's why you see so many short passes. Defenses are allowing small ball while trying to take away the chunk plays figuring the more tines the other offense has to roll the dice (run a play) the more opportunity they have to screw up or for your defense to make a splash play knowing that the field gets easier to defend as it gets shorter.

But its not every QB's absolute death knell. You can watch every other QB in the league stand in the face of pressure and deliver good balls. Yeah, pressure uo the middle makes life a lit harder on any QB but with Bryce it's an absolute play killer. Rhats the difference.

Yeah, he can make some nice passes here and there. He's always been able to. Now we need to see him do it consistently and I still need to see him be able to handle pressure up the middle. That's Bryce's real Achilles heel. He can play well when he doesn't have pressure in his face and the field is clean in front of him. We already know this.

Yeah, I've been pleasantly surprised with him so far but didn't love the pick simply because he's not a good pairing with Moehrig. If you're playing both those guys at safety then you're really lacking in the deep third. But, at the end of the day, when you're picking in the 4th round you realize you're probably drafting backups so I don't really have an issue with the pick.

I did. He made two really nice passes.

Look at the passing chart. Nine of his 15 completions were at or behind the LOS. This is just how we have to run offense with Bryce at QB.

Yeah, Denver is only about 300 miles west of the east/west center of the continental U.S.

Best DT we've ever had. Probably the best DT in the NFL right now.

Take away Bryce's two 4th and short passes and the screen to Chuba and what are you left with on fhe passing game? See how it goes when you selectively eliminate the three best plays? We caught lightning in a bottle yesterday on both sides of the ball. The D was overall not good but had three great plays forcing turnovers taking one back for a TD. The offensive passing game overall was not good but had three big plays resulting in TDs.

We completed two passes over 10 yards all game, both against goalline defensive sets on 4th and short. Bryce made very good throws on both but most of the rest of his completions were right around the LOS. This is what your passing chart has to look like the beat good teams with Bryce at QB: You missed my point about "Run the ball and hope you can force turnovers" being our recipe for success. Of course that's a recipe for success for anyone. It's just that with us it's really our only recipe for success.

Going back to this, this is just such a wacky year of football both at the NFL level and college. Duke in the conference championship game? Vandy legitimately in the playoff conversation? I mean... just insanity. In the NFL, you have the 10-2 Broncos winning 9 games in a row and probably should've lost half of them. The Pats with a crazy turnaround weak schedule or not, they've beat most of the good teams on their schedule. That Panthers over .500. The Bears in the lead in the NFC on the back of an insane +17 turnover differential. It's just a really, REALLY weird year of football.

Yeah, we feel like a bad version of last year's Chiefs. We're winning a ton of close games catching a lot of breaks. That type of winning usually isn't sustainable. It would be fun if it wasn't for the nerve wracking concern of Tepper doing something stupid like signing Bryce long-term.

Yeah, it's been clear for a few weeks now that a wildcard team coming out of the NFCS is highly unlikely.

That lights out D gave up over 400 yards tonight to a three win team playing their backup QB.

Broncos hang on with a batted down pass. Not understanding how anyone thinks the Pats are a sketchier team than the Broncos. They got taken to the absolute limits by a 3-8 team playing their backup QB and having trailed in every game during their 9 game winning streak. That's not sustainable.

The downside of going for two here is you're down to your 5th goalline play after having to go through four of them to get into he endzone.