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The only potential immediate solution I can see is trying to trade a late round pick for someone's backup QB that actually has NFL tools. NFL defenses have thoroughly figured out how to take away the things Bryce actually does well. If I'm an opposing HC I'm telling my DC to do NOT let up and go soft unless we're up big late in the 4th. Start focusing on containment with the pass rush and playing soft zone behind it and you're just giving Bryce a life line. You're giving him all the stuff he actually does well while focusing on taking away the stuff he struggles with. Just keep the pressure on and stick to the game plan, we're not playing a typical NFL QB that might make you pay by burning you deep while you're being aggressive.

The QB is basically the engine of an offensive machine and we have a lawnmower engine in a dump truck. Ain't no tuning your way out of that lack of horsepower.

It's just hard when the entire opposing D is within 10 yards of the LOS every snap because they're not afraid of the QB beating them deep. Defenses are focusing on taking away the run and the short to intermediate passing game. Bryce plays well when we're trailing big and the opposing D starts playing soft allowing for the short to intermediate passing game to be implemented but when they have their ears pinned back executing their game plan we basically can't move the ball.

Yeah, Dave doesn't seem like a "muh scheme" type of coach where he wants plays drawn up for his QB to robotically go through a preprogrammed process. He seems like more the type of coach that just wants his scheme to produce opportunities for a QB to be a playmaker. It's a scheme you'd love to play in as a QB and it's the type of scheme that should work really well for the "point guard mentality" QB they tried to sell us on Bryce being and the type of QB he was at Alabama but at the NFL level all of those physical shortcomings that seemed plainly evident to many of us on the college field are showing up in a big way. Even with his bad decisions I honestly think a lot of it is that he's struggling to see the field. I don't mean that figuratively in that he's misreading the defense or missing open receivers, I mean that literally in that I think he's struggling to see the field over the lines of 6'4"+ huge men in front of him. Reich used to talk about creating throwing lanes for Bryce to see through and holy poo... if you need throwing lanes now you've massively shrunk your opportunities. Now you're trying to play QB through a picket fence. If you watched him play at Bama, you saw him routinely drop back 10-15 yards behind the LOS to gain depth so that he could see over the scrum. You just can't do that routinely in the NFL. NFL pass rushers are just too good. Your OTs can't create that deep of a pocket.

You gotta do something. I mean, we have a starting WR doing nothing. And yeah, a lot of the balls coming his way are pretty much uncatchable but you gotta try something different. Maybe it's unpolished route running, maybe it's an inability to make contested catches, maybe it's a chemistry issue. I don't know what it is but we're getting virtually zero production out of a starting WR.

When Coker comes back we have to replace XL in the lineup with him. Playing XL at this point practically amounts to playing 10 vs. 11.

I believe that if you have a drug test at work coming up you better find you some clean piss and tape it to your leg.

In 118 snaps so far this season, Xavier Legette has managed to amass an entire 8 more yards of offense than a Huddle poster. 4 catches for 8 yards and 1 rushing attempt for 0 yards.

Of course not. Back then we all longed for consistency. We just couldn't find a way to put together good seasons but we'd mess around and have good seasons often enough to keep things interesting and give reason for hope. That's a helluva lot better than just being the league's doormat year after year.

Panthers fandom under Tepper summed up perfectly. LOL

And now we know that it was a Panthers problem, not a Baker Mayfield problem.

Just enjoy it. It's funny. That's all we have left as Panthers fans.

Following up on this, it's gonna be interesting if their D continues to dominate or if teams start to adjust after getting more film on them. That DC is in his bag right now getting an amazing shiny new toy to play with on the eve of the season kicking off. He's just gonna be a step ahead of the competition for awhile until they figure out how adding that new chess piece is impacting how he deploys his defense. I think they'll probably tail off a little once more film is out but I still think they're gonna prove to be one of if not the best defense in the league.

There's always going to be mistakes in the draft, it's a crapshoot in a lot of ways. Our problem isn't just bad drafting, though it's a big part of our problem. Don't oversimplify it. It seems like Tepper and his gang of clowns sit around and see if they can come up with new ways to fug up a football organization. We draft bad. We make bad decisions in FA. We give big money to the wrong players in house. We hire bad GMs and coaches. The scouts are either ignored or completely suck. There's not much of anything that we do right. It goes far beyond just the draft.

I mean, there's not much to figure out. The guy can't deal with pressure (either in the form of pass rush or in terms of feeling pressure due to the situation in the game/season) and he can't threaten you deep, especially if he's being pressured. So what do you do? Pressure the hell out of him. Blitz him and focus on taking away the short to medium range throws knowing he can't burn you deep. I just don't think there's any scheming around these deficiencies at the NFL level. I'm not all that high on Canales but I'm not sure any coach could make this offense work. People cling to the success we have when trailing multiple scores while refusing to recognize that the Cardinals stopped doing all the things you should do to throw off Bryce and as soon as the game situation forced them to go back to doing them Bryce went right back to looking like pure trash again.

Me neither. That's why I said my entire issue with Shaq all along really wasn't about Shaq, it was about the outsized resources the Panthers chose to invest in him.

It amazes me that people still fall for Bryce padding stats against prevent defense. He looked like trash to start off the game because the Cardinals were running their game plan. Once up big they started focusing on containment with their rush and soft zone coverage just to avoid giving up chunk plays. Why? I don't know. NFL coaches for the most part are just super conservative and risk averse. Let's stop doing what's working spectacularly because we're scared. As soon as they were forced to abandon the prevent D and go back to playing aggressively Bryce went right back to looking like trash again immediately.

Yeah, a dog that are up cap space to be a poodle. I joke, I'm not trying to poo on Shaq. My issue with Shaq is really just an issue with Panthers decision making because it's solely around the fact that we spent a 1st round pick on a tweener player we planned to play at our position of deepest depth and we then turned around and paid him like a Luke or TD successor when that's just not what he was. He was a check the box starter. A guy that if he's penciled in on the depth chart your not concerned about it but you shouldn't be building a defense around the guy and you definitely shouldn't be playing him like he's an All-Pro.

To be fair, Shaq was a JAG.

I tried to tell people on Moehrig. I tried to tell y'all that he was a safety straight out of the '80s who was basically an undersized LB who can't cover his own shadow. I tried to tell people that Legette was a one year wonder in college bailed out by a super senior year that wouldn't have happened had it not been for COVID who wasn't a natural WR. I tired to tell people that Bryce had no NFL level physical tools and his style of play wouldn't translate to the NFL. I just can't understand how a guy who just casually watches the sport and hasn't actively played it in nearly 30 years can see this stuff when our "professionals" can't. That doesn't make any sense. I get it, every misses in the draft and in FA occasionally. But a lot of our misses are of the "well duh, how did you not see that???" variety and that's just inexcusable.

Good lord, Geno. That's full Bryce. You sucked tonight buddy.

The Chargers just keep keeping the Raiders alive because they just flat out refuse to run the football.

Yeah, he's sucked tonight. Could legit have half a dozen picks. As he throws another one. LOL