LinvilleGorge

Nope. It's bizarre to me how viscerally some people react to the notion that some people have actual principles.

Nah, not me. That's why I said I'd be done with the Panthers if they hired Sean Payton and I meant it.

That's how the sold most of the donors on it. More money driven from football would equal more money for basketball but then they had to commit to guaranteed spend on football in Belichick's contract so if football isn't driving additional revenue then in essence it's just stealing from basketball.

The idiotic huge investment into Belichick and the commitments he contractually forced to be spent on the football program is a big problem right now. If he was delivering promise on the field it would pay off but Belichick isn't holding up his end of the bargain in that regard. I have heard from a big Rams Club booster (a whole row of third row tickets at the Deam Dome) that Hubert is gone. With the Belichick disaster and basketball floundering the money is gon a dry up if they don't do something big and it's cheaper to do it with Hubert right now than Belichick, plus most of the donors are still just way more into basketball based on the history of Carolina athletics.

I'd just give him his full buyout and let him resign. Seems the best way out. Hubert gets his money and we avoid having to fire a DES player and Roy's long time lead assistant. Just tell him, listen you're out one way or the other. We're paying you out one way or the other. Are you gonna make us fire you or would you save us both some face and resign? Your call.

That would be a Tinderbox thread.

Hubert has plenty of money. I don't hate the guy. I think he a legit good guy. This is Ron Rivera all over again for me. It's just very obvious a coaching change is needed and it audka we gottaboart ways with a good guy and I'd much rather it work out but the same issues appearing again and again year after year are clearly shouting what needs to happen. With that said, if we hire Todd Golden, that's it. I'm out. I'd greatly prefer to just keep getting disappointed by Hubert. I can at least stand to root for that.

A 3rd round pick that only has 5 pressures and 10 tackles through three seasons? Are we sure this isn't a misprint? That's gotta be a Hurney 2nd rounder.

The most damning assessment of Hubert... We've had so many guys transfer out and be key contributors elsewhere, including guys that Hubert just flat out refused to play because he won't develop a bench. He's gonna find his five and he's gonna run them into the ground and then wonder why his team blows leads. Well, they're dog ass fuging tired is a big part of it. Isaiah Denis will probably be in this list next year. Top 50 recruit, competing offers from the likes of Kansas, Ohio State, Tennessee, etc. and we basically never saw him. High proved to be a competent player when he was forced into action after Caleb Wilson went down. He played five minutes last night and I don't think any after half even though Veesaar was visibly absolutely gassed down the stretch.

"I'm not stunned," Hansbrough said. "We talked about it at halftime, you asked me 'you have to be pretty happy.' And I said, 'No I've seen this story before.' I've seen this happen. They just had some lapses in games where they just go still offensively, defensively. Their competitiveness just drops a little bit. They never step on anybody's throat. When they have a team with a little bit of a lead, they never step on the throat. It's been something all year." The only disagreement I'd have with Hansbrough's assessment is that it's not limited to just this year. It's been Hubert's entire tenure. Hallmarks of Hubert's teams are: streaky shooting, streaky focus, running your starters into the dirt because you won't sub, and absolutely embarrassingly bad plays put of timeouts. It all points straight to the coach. When the roster keeps changing but the core fundamental issues keep recurring, it's not the players.

Agreed. Ruining K's send off twice was awesome on the way to a national championship game appearance but it gave the administration way too much co fodwncw in Hubert when the reality was rhat streaky shooters in Caleb Love and RJ Davis just got red hot at the right time and Hubert finally carved out a major role for Brady Manek. Hell, this year's win over duke was kinda the same story. The team came put absolutely sleepwalking and not ready to play outside of Caleb Wilson and Seth Trimble who pretty much by themselves kept us from getting absolutely blown out by half. The rest of the roster did practically nothing in the 1st half other than steal oxygen that Wilson and Trimble could've been breathing.

The final wins over K enroute to a title game run (along with Roy's strong support) bought him a long leash but at this point the financial commitments are playing a MUCH bigger role. We have a lot of money tied up in Hubert and Belichick and replacing Belichick is probably seen as the far more pressing matter. The way duke fans act you'd think they were Wooden's UCLA but all they've really been doing is providing a stopover for a year for NBA lottery picks while not winning any titles. You're not Wooden's UCLA, you're Calipari's Memphis.

UNC is 48-2 in NCAA tournament games when leading by 10+. Hubert blew a 16 point lead in the national championship game and a 19 point lead tonight.

As fun as those two last wins over K were and that fluke run to the title game were in Hubert's first season, it wasn't worth it in the long run. Getting to a title game in his first year bought him a verrrrrry long leash. I honestly think tonight would've been the last straw without that. We lost a national championship ship game because Hubert hates using his bench and just wants to lean on his starters and we ran out of gas. We lost tonight for the same reason. Veesaar was absolutely gassed before regulation even ended.