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I am with you on that. It was the motivation for me to start question his ability to play in the NFL, let alone be the top dog in a draft. That will slow you down and make you hold the ball. And run around like it's a playground. I don't think he is processing though at any kind of S2 speed. But you know what? I don't have to fuging live with him in my head any more and it won't long before I just close the book and move to the next one. So we aren't going back and forth over it, you can have all that opinion you want with no objections from me. We have lost so much time and assets messing with this guy... edit: he did work on that arm, in the sense that he triedt o change all his base and technique. And it looked like it helped his ball flight, but he bailed on it 15 minutes into the first game. It is just too far gone to change.

I am out of beers and pie. I feel you. Taikng a break from it for a few days maybe even a couple of weeks until the next shoe drops.

I might be back on the warpath soon enough but right now, it has been a miserable pastime since March 2023 when the trade was done I guess, and the Bryce love affair began. I feel good and am looking forward to seeing a game for the first time since 2022. I don't feel like a totally bitter fan since they lifted that 180 pound weight off the our backs.

They are completely neglecting the main thing they pushed which is his processor. Literally why he was at the top of the boards. He has been slow to process, late with the ball, he isn't showing any kind of processing superiority.

That was the most infuriating part of these national people's narrative. They didn't help him? Good lord that is all they tried to do. And they did. Defense has to go to bed hungry every night because he got all the good stuff.

I have noticed some nice blocking schemes for the WRs. I haven't seen that stand out with other coaches, the way it looks to me this season. And like some of the tweaks. And the way they are looking the blocking player could be turned into WR on another play with the same look. He was saying the same plays from multiple formations to disguise things. I think we may be seeing some of that WR coach background Idzik and Canales have.

But he is at practice? Okay.

You might have been buying based on that. I m still buying but based off of the primary talent he displayed, rehabbing retread vets. As opposed to his Bryce mission. Thought you were done with Bryce long ago. I was. You may remember my opinion on how difficult it is to rebuild mechanics that will hold up under duress. Pressure. This was totally predictable because his are so fuged up. And ingrained. He won a Heiseman with those mechanics he probably doesn't even want to change them. For me the reason I wanted Canales here was to get the next QB. So far, plan is in motion.

Traded franchises with Carroll Rosenbloom. Unique transaction. Easy to google don't have to tell it here.

Agree. Tepper doesn't have physical limitations and may be learning. Wouldn't the Young debacle make You want to settle down and think a little harder about how you are approaching things? When I fug up large, it is a pretty rude awakening and gets my attention. If it is true that Canales and Morgan wanted to do this and he gave his approval or didn't weigh in, told them if that's what they think then okay, we might be seeing progress.

Blaming the Panthers for trashing QBs that their original teams gave up on. I guess it is semantics to some degree; we didn't ruin we failed to reclaim. Made it hard on the guys they brought in with all the musical chairs of coaches and quarterbacks going on every year. You can't get players playing fast when they are thinking about their new assignments, either. Every year.

I feel like the WR is Canales domain. I think Dan probably works with both Canales and Evero to get what they want. Add in the spare no expense to support Bryce Young, things are geared towards that and Evero gets only scraps and hand me downs and players outside of the 1st and 2nd rounds. Damage is done now, but with better quarterback play they can maybe invest in the defense this next offseason.

Ha! Three days ago I would have said: Someone go and change that sign in the early morning hours when the bar is closed. Whatever makes Tepper flip out and do something scandalous would be fun. He okayed putting Bryce out of our misery, he is off my poo list this week. Just the week.

I forgot to say, that sorry ass passing chart is a pretty strong indication of what Canales is working with. I don't have all 22 to see all the routes and if there were people running downfield towards that other end zone. One fuging jump ball to Legette was all I asked. Not really, but it was the main attraction on Sunday, but no we got Pop Warner boy.

It might hint that they had decided on Bryce early on and are not trying to tailor the offense to him. Alternately, it was stated that Bryce was getting input about what his best plays from Alabama were, the rollouts, that sort of thing. None of it can be revealed if the QB checks down nearly every passing play. It might be Bama it might be Dan Henning play action + deep shot, how could people tell from what the fug it was supposed to be from he was doing?

I watched some more of the 1st half last night to check something and he stared that int down the whole way, and has been doing that.

Maybe just ask yourself if you are certain that he had made the decision at that time. I thought about it, that is the simplest answer. He had not made the decision at hat time. He would have had to have made the decision and told the player before talking about it in the media. Before that, there is tape watching and the normal stuff the staff does after a game. I saw people speculating the players had input, that Canales and Morgan and cap guy forget his name, did a pow wow to get on the same page and they did. And, it is courtesy to run things by your boss and you need his thoughts. I am not stressing about that. We do not have anything that says it is Tepper giving directives, that would be a different scenario yeah but even then, result is the same. You can't keep him on the field to just to rinse and repeat. And about the coach speak of saying we have to look at the tape... that's a little different; if you go with you are playing into the idea that you are considering making a change. If you haven't made the decision final, you don't want the player dealing with that. You don't want to have to deal with the player over it. Less is more until you have more. ----- That's what I came away with: recap with the nutshell version: He hadn't decided, won't open any doors into it for that reason, and even saying you have to look at the tape, may be a message you don't want to send at that time. Common courtesy to keep the boss informed...

Dalton is better but I like PJ just fine too. It would be fun to have Bryce get a look at what PJ can do. Might mess him up worse though when he realizes he couldn’t beat him out.

Search for Bryce footwork you will find plenty. short version is watch any film of Bryce Young from last year. Just a few drop backs should do it. Next find the Buffalo preseason game. Watch the drive Bryce was in for. Look at that footwork. Completely different and looks like other QBs. Something like 12 plays there a few passes you can see it. THEN FIND THE New Orleans game and go through his drop backs in the first quarter. Observe. Right at the very end of the 1st quarter you will see Bryce from 2023 taking back over. Easy to see you will have everything you need.

Wait. His play is on film. You saw it right? Was it hard to evaluate? What could Andy Dalton do to make it look better or worse? Anyone looking to trade and looks at that film they will know. I just hope they are rich and dumb and think they could do better.

Let’s at least wait til Dalton plays one game and lives. See who emerges this year that maybe isn’t a consideration right now.

And there is no way he could legitimately defend his play. Just no way. A good teammate would come right out and back Andy and say all the right stuff like usual. Whether they mean it or not. So where is he? Is he at practice?

So what? I saw a tweet saying big nba scorer tuned in to the Panthers. Is there more?

I meant to specify the article as the Bleacher Report. If the offense looks like I think it will most of them will quiet down.

I am not in the habit of defending Young but hold up. I read that trash article. There are some very foolish statements made by some of these tweeters, and many of the rest are just not made with the truth uppermost in mind. There are big agendas there. Same defense as usual when these meatheads spring into outrage mode, is there a single first hand quote from Bryce? Because if not, it may be misinformed bullshit just like many tweets and most of that article