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Yes. If Wallace was like the sidekick and not the star we wouldn’t be in that bad a shape. We need a clear upgrade over him. Next to him.

Given your handle maybe you would agree but I would take Smitty over Fitzgerald 7 days a week. Without looking at his numbers.

Twist the knife Joe. Gonna deny us our annual Andy game. Honestly I think it would be reckless to put him out there on a bum ankle. I haven’t seen Andy to be really confident (even though I correctly was just last year), but it also goes to who gives us the best chance to win question. I mean, since we are all about winning now.

We are the only people scared of him.

Yeah I am not passionate about this. And yea longevity counts for sure. Plenty of guys get left off because they didn’t sustain their level of play for enough years.

Good post. I am pretty much with Dallas being his ceiling. Consistent 4 quarter performance. He could produce more numbers in different scenarios but I don’t think he can play much better. If that makes any sense. He got an away lot of help though. I struggle to visualize that level of play overcoming a really good defense that shuts down the run game and puts it in his hands. Was hoping for more evidence on that this year.

I wonder why that is. My first instinct is just so many holes to fill it just gets elbowed out of the way

Oh, okay. Yeah no doubt. I’d probably take someone like Steve McNair over him even. maybe that’s a stretch but I liked McNair’s game. Eli was solid, and pretty consistent if I recall. Understated maybe. He was not flashy.

Oh hell I would so take him if he were still playing. He is for sure a Giants hall of honor guy or whatever they have.

I guess that is my thing, I never viewed him as top tier. Despite his couple of magical years. I am not campaigning against him or anything, not that invested, just feel like he is a notch below the bar. I appreciate the different perspectives.

Well some guys leave no room for doubt. The worst thing I have seen anyone say recently was I said he and Horn were difference makers and someone said not so much. Good but not elite. Sure people were still trying to evaluate him early on, like most guys.

I can buy that. They have bigger issues than Bryce’s sprained ankle to draw their attention.

His durability was like the last negative I would look to in size related critique. Uh, evaluating him. There have been plenty of small/short players at other positions that were tough as hell. RB, WR, some DBs and returners. And how tall was Sam Mills? His height, we know restricts his vision. His size inhibits ball security. Big time. I mean that could be attributed more to his lack of strength but it comes under size I suppose. I get that throwers don’t want that upper body too bulked and tightened up but he should have been building his base it doesn’t appear that he has done much.

It is really hard to rank defenses off of yards. To me the only true measure is how they do against the powerhouse offensive teams. If you can get enough of those those matchups. Points allowed too. There might be a way to weight points allowed after turnover puts them up against it. Yardage ain’t it for me.

I think it is a matter of priorities. We had some big ones. And like you said, and I have said also, it isn’t a one year job. Not with the way they neglected that side of the ball. I think you have to go back to Horn to find any real investment until this last offseason.

I just wasn’t impressed with him - to the degree of HOF worthiness - excluding a couple of seasons. Your reasoning, especially the NYC market, is sound enough. I am a degree or two off of him, would not vote. And wouldn’t vote Rivers in either though he was was numbers king and a very good QB.

A good offseason would go a long way. Pass rush and ILB are still weak as hell. Of course, this season we’ll have the two edge guys getting schooled and a good offseason for them should see them come back as upgrades.

I see Eli Manning is a finalist. Why?

I have to use internet to hear them and missed Packer. Used to see references to him here. They are likely pandering to the casual fans who are less in the mindset of analysis and more in the rooting for their team mindset. Playing down to the audience. Lot of real dumbasses out there these days.

I don’t think I’d rank them that high but they are much improved and you don’t hold NFL teams to like 50 yards over two games. I forget the exact number but it was awful low.

I used to fish about every morning and they were always on in the boat. Now…. I will tell someone to fug themselves if I get pushed to it but am really big on arguing the points and not the other person. I fail every so often and mock someone if they are just ridiculous, did it yesterday over the on and off the bandwagon behavior. Shouldn’t have. Will get hot when people start with the accusations of ignorance, or impugn the other person’s character rather than address their points. I have no patience for that and don’t respect it. They crossed that line with me. fug them. And it wasn’t me they attacked, I just can’t tolerate it much. One thing I miss is the interviews or some of them anyway. But you can get them on the website and avoid most of their inanity. I do appreciate the retelling of some of that like you just did.

That is true. Or close to it. Arguably. Lol. At the same time wasn’t he ostensibly in charge of shipping them out or not keeping them and putting us in Bryce land? Just to keep in the narrow field of QBs and not other moves.

I don’t know who other than Bryce Stan’s can stand to listen to them. They lost me when people would text in an opinion on Young that differed from their fanning, and they would down the texter not argue the point they would just dismiss it as whatever. Same thing we see here when the argument isn’t really convincing, here come the personal attacks.

I am burned out on Bryce debate so without getting too deep into it… I appreciate your perspective in some of those thoughts but feel like this Bryce thing is a massively bigger concern that JR’s pie chart. We are talking about having three lost seasons if this doesn’t get clearly resolved and putting at least another one on the table. It isn’t scratching the itch, let me just put it that way

Yeah it is nice seeing some improvement on the defensive side and the young guys. I don’t want to think about the future much if Bryce doesn’t heal and we are kept in this limbo via an incomplete test. It is depressing I don’t have quite as dim a view of the 24 draft class as you do I have modest hopes for XL compared to none. I like CSW. Am a little cooler on Sanders but at the same time realized this week that Morgan getting that future 2nd for moving down turned into Scourton. I think. Jackson is a real value in exchange for the guy we took with the 7th. I don’t expect anything from Brooks but Wallace seems to have improved enough to not bust. And Coker is in with them, but is giving us nothing this year. So far, and it is almost half over I hope Andy still has enough to make watching the offense less of a claustrophobic experience. And there is a small chance we upset the Bills but just playing them tough and making it a fun game to watch will be enough.