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The constant staff turnover is a factor for sure. I think, realistically, we should continue with the scheme so we can at least not take big steps backwards. I know the argument could be that we have nothing and it is the right tie to change it because we have nothing to lose, but I would be hesitant. We have some young players with some potential playing in this scheme right now and the depth guys are getting a lot of experience as well. You go changing it again and wtf, more years of pain. Just stick another 3/4 DC type in there and keep rolling (over, lol).

A couple of things here for people who think he isn't. Or just for some validation. Keyshawn totally speaks for me. Everything I thought, he says. Merriman, is so wrong but he did not have the benefit at the time, of seeing Dalton with the same offense a few days later, and fell into the typically lame 'Panthers ruined him' trap. Which the Green Bay game totally debunks, but of course he probably didn't see that either. The other one, just for some reinforcement. If you like the Falcons struggling, rewind 30 seconds.

Dominoes falling.

Well the false starts and the illegal formations or shifts reminded me of the Seattle game in 2023. Moving backwards on 1st down kills you.

I expect it. I am happy to see the mistake I made (though now I do want to find postgame video). I was good with the pick and agree he'll get better. This will be good for him in the long run.

I know about this because he is the one I was hoping we would take. And having just gone and looked at who we passed over to take RB that high, you will poo if you look at it. I think the Saints traded up to 67 but we originally had the 72nd pick so it was doable.

I remember it being noted that the Atlanta D was wearing down. That sucked.

The thing that got me was the cavalier attitude to the buy in. It was a huge risk whoever we took at the point we made that trade. And that risk was brushed aside, casually. It was like poor people buying a Cadillac. Or these days, an Escalade or something. You are gonna stay poor.

Obviously. Shudder to think of what they (rules committee) will do in reaction to low passing stats early this season.

We paid the Bryce price. They were given that game.

What's a shootout these days? Mid 30s? 40s? Saints gave up 50. Asses kicked with a legit 27 points on the board. I don't know what to think anymore. I am an old school football fan that doesn't need those kinds of offensive displays to enjoy a game, but that seems to have passed me by. I fuging loved Foxball to be honest. Ball control and bad ass defense. It wouldn't hurt me if the league's pendulum took us back there.

I would temper that with our defense isn't good enough for shootouts either, more than our offense even. They are shoot downs, in cold blood. If we score 30 we aren't winning. That's about horrible. Dalton, the WR lineup he came into, the OL that was together, we could score points. We had no WR depth really, that really fuged us.

I didn't scout Clausen as I recall. It was an out of the blue thing to me also. That E Brown crap might have been the final straw for Hurney with me. It came from panic over Peppers, I thought, and I didn't know who was doing the panicking whether it was JR (who I pretty much blamed for the whole Peppers tagging and the resulting cap crisis) or Hurney or Fox panicking for that matter. Someone was too desperate to replace JP. (I know JP was still there, but that was his replacement). That trading next year's 1st stuff, again. The cardinal sin for me. You do that and I hate you. I was very much against the trade for a QB last year. Totally opposed. And I do agree that with Stroud we would have still been handicapped by the cost, no doubt. But also no doubt that he would not have been the disaster that gave Chicago the 1st overall in 2024.

Thing is though, when your D can stop no one nor barely slow them down, you are going to get decent TOP numbers aren't you? I mean, avoid the 3 and outs and you will be right there. Stats... are a murky pool to swim in sometimes. Like rushing defense, when they pass all over you then your rushing numbers might fool someone. "Oh, look, we are 10th against the run!". Okay... actually that works really good for passing defense, when you really suck on offense they don't need to pass.

Well, you are Panthers focused. Start watching a 1 win college team go out there outmatched every week and see how much fun it is. The purity of the amateur game is no more, totally gone. Not even a facade exists any more. Greed has ruined that for me. I'll watch the state teams here and there. For me that is pretty much S Carolina, Clemson, and Coastal Carolina (local). I have seen parts of a couple of S Carolina games, and they are for sure more fun to watch than Panthers games on average, even post Young.

kungfoo is just .. right. There is no good outcome. It is pick your poison because either will kill you. We can die the way you want or the other way. There is no solution for this with the lineup we are able to run out out on defense. If we can avoid more season ending injuries and keep the starters that are out there now together then maybe in a few weeks they will have gotten things a little tighter. Maybe. But right now, it is a no win. Again, 35 second drives, followed by a sub 60 second drive. Maybe I reversed the order it was two games ago... but wtf are you supposed to do with that?

Armanti. Yeah. Thanks. I'm not sure we knew Clausen was that bad until we knew. More of that trading up poo though, wasn't it? Enough to sour me on regardless of the player. The only trade up that didn't really piss me off lately is the Brooks trade because we had accumulated so much in the initial trade back that we were kind of playing with house money trading back up for him. That 2025 second was keeping me happy. edit: and also, I had zero expectations other than prove or disprove Bryce Young, and looked at the season as just basically a practice year for Canales and the new draft picks. So I didn't place a super high value on whether or not they were all immediate contributors.

Wilks went 6-6 with a lesser team than Rhule went 1-4 with. I'd figure that as 8 or 9 wins. It was nice to think we had a chance in most games. Not all but we could at least compete with the teams ranked like 10-32. I know besides the recent Dalton starts it is the only fun I have had watching Panthers football since 2018 probably.

That would be Bryce for my money. By a mile. I haven't watched much with the focus on defense and the little I have was focused on Wallace. But things are so weak that maybe it is possible he is a player they devote resources to keeping down. I think A'Shawn is probably that guy for me but again, I haven't watched Johnson with that type of focus. I guess I should. But there is no way he beats Bryce out for that title. Maybe ... the App state guy Hurney took for a WR. Forget his name, but he was pretty obviously a mistake.

I just posted a very similar opinion, I very much agree with you.

I really think that college fandom led to the massive Bryce support. People were not looking at it clinically because the formed a fanhood rooted picture in their heads. Then they get that confirmation bias thing happening. I believe the best thing to do is wait for their seasons to be over and then look at everything then. Clinically as possible.

He was a 3rd rounder but yeah he doesn't need to be doing that and it wasn't by design. I am totally bought in that they looked for every edge and every chink in the armor to defend against, to salvage that sunk cost. I knew we needed a C and wanted one, but never thought they would do it for the reason I stated. And they didn't. I spent a lot of time trying to understand the why of some of this poo, and caught arguments over it. But it wasn't me being an advocate for it, it was just trying to get what they were likely thinking.

Okay I get it, the cynical humor is something I should get right away. I'm slipping.

It seems to me it was based on getting the compensation for promoting minorities. That rule. You lose a guy to a HC job, with him at your place for two years, you get a pick. And they expected that to happen so they wanted him to pull his two years before letting him go.

Symbiotic relationship. I am about to give them something to chew on, for some clicks. A nice divisive take for them to pound. Edit: I retract that... I made a mistake watching Trevin Wallace locker room interviews. He was all smiling and not pissed off, and I was like wtf why are you all happy right after getting your ass kicked? So I went back to gather a couple of these videos and they are not immediately after the game, but the next day or even a Wednesday locker room thing. That's good to see that - I was trying to misjudge him, it fuging bothered me seeing a player smile after a loss. But that isn't what it was. So good. But I won't be making that thread.