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It is what it is if they don’t perform. I can’t give a poo at that point And I don’t know anything to base this on really but have a bad feeling that people are placing an awful lot of hope into Coker. Who we know came in out of shape and has missed a ridiculous amount of time over an injury that no one seems to know how he got. Went for a couple of weeks to now it is week 7.

I am surely not saying he is meeting expectations or maybe living up to hopes. NGL I look at the positives because he is from Mullins SC. I look at who is supposed to be getting him the ball and did a very poor job of it in I think game 2. I ain’t going down with the Mullins ship if he starts loafing again or slacks off of his effort at blocking where he has been making nice but thankless contributions. And hope he gets some more opportunities for balls and does something with them

That LB in coverage thing is really going to limit us once people see enough of it.

Yep. If he had seen opportunity to thrive here, he might have resisted the family’s apparent homesickness a little. He caved willingly. I am sure he thought he was going to a better QB situation on top of the other attraction that moving home represented.

Also, they aren’t consistently playing from big leads and it makes a difference in their pass/run balance. They can’t just sit on it and drain the clock.

We just played two of them

Deserved, I wouldn’t use that word. Asked for? For sure. Am I upset over it? No. People forget that AT was throwing his helmet in frustration last season over his QB’s ineptitude. The same QB was pretty inept to start this year, no guarantee AT would have helped him in those games any more than he did last year. Just sayin. And Dan doing him a solid probably did not go unnoticed by players around the league. I think it increases his rep with potential FAs. It sure can’t hurt it.

Okay yes it’s low but he missed two games and the two games he was back for RICO had almost all the offense. The last game before he was out, the passes were not helping him. It’s not trying to take up for him as much as it putting it into some context. I mean if he hadn’t missed those two games and had 100 yards instead of 50 it would still be disappointing.

That’s what firing Frank was. That’s what the last two years have been. That whole process of him ending up here was a bad decision compounded by another. In a vacuum trading those assets is defendable. But not that year. It was born of impatience. But we have taken it this far, may as well see if he can reverse his trajectory the remaining games. Like in the Dumb and Dumber movie, there is a chance.

I bet my opinion of ‘why’ will not align with yours. I see it as people are resorting to arguing false premises. We see it daily in the real world. Their motivations are what they are, I could say it is because the real doesn’t favor their feelings. But I can’t really know that. I don’t know why a person resorts to that but it happens all the time. PS and BTW, Underhill wasn’t alone in arguing that, and I don’t think he was the instigator, he picked up the torch. I take back my apologies to these folks because now I see what their claims were based on. False premises.

Here is another: You are being intentionally obtuse with this 20 yard BS and don’t like being called on it. PS it wasn’t intended as a burn, it was more of an assessment of reality. And what do you know, here we are talking.

We have a language barrier here. CRA saying he can’t play beyond 20 yards is NOT saying he can’t throw the ball 20 yards. That ain’t the flex you think it is.

I don’t think he can be great. For me he tops out as starter maybe make the playoffs, stuff like that. I would have been okay with that kind of player as a placeholder but you don’t invest the time and assets we did and be happy with that. On the cure,If a guy has mechanical flaws but otherwise is enticing, you let someone else make the mistake of taking him in the top of the 1st. If he doesn’t get taken you can pick him up 2nd or 3rd day and try to develop him (off the bench not starting). The risk/reward with Bryce was horribly misjudged. I didn’t want to trade like that in the first place because I didn’t see the generation talent that justifies that type of move, but once it was done CJ was the better gamble. No doubt.

Remember right before Frank was fired when his footwork issues became a point of contention with Tepper? Tepper wanted the footwork fixed immediately. This week. Lol. Frank told him it wasn’t an in season project. In so many words. That it would have to be done in the offseason. Frank knew what he was seeing, I mean come on. He played quarterback his whole life and coached them. He knew what kind of project Bryce was. And it is like the 7 on 7 success we hear about, that’s great unless you vacant repeat it when people are trying to hit you. Meaning there is only so much you can do in the offseason. You can drill and drill and drill some more but it will not get put to the real test until you get out on the field in live league games. As to the offseason relaxing and all, I am a perfectionist by nature. I see what is deficient and want it addressed. I had the same issue with Cam over his mechanics and what he did in the offseason. The difference is, with Cam it kept him from being, I’m my view, truly one of the all time greats. He was just plain great. So he could get by just fine on his God given physical tools and competitive spirit With Bryce it is the difference with being out of the league or being a viable NFL QB. I mean for him it threatens his career. There is no getting by on immense natural ability to fall back on.

Thatks funny because just this morning I read a couple ‘you Bryce haters don’t understand’ implying that only one side does. I do agree it is pointless talking with you but some things are hard to let pass so I expect we both will continue.

And winning the Super Bowl was supposed to be the whole point in doing that insane trade up and picking him. It was a big pointless fail.

And this is his third year. As far as people not understanding things, I am not sure people accept how difficult it is to remake yourself from the ground up. Which he absolutely has to do to compete successfully at the NFL level. He takes a step forward with the footwork and a step back when he is stressed and reverts to what always worked for him before. I will say it yet again, anyone that reached a level of success with their self taught technique but needed to rebuild to break through the limitations that imposed, will understand this. I don’t care what specific activity it is the same challenge. Muscle memory and comfort level fight against the new moves you are trying to train yourself to do without thinking. He is there. There is a ceiling with his technique that is too low for the NFL. He has to retrain himself. We are in the third year and I guess we are supposed believe that he will be so good when he finally gets to where the new will be second nature, that we have to wait (how many more years) for him to finish doing it. If he ever finishes. The sad fact is he will not succeed at the NFL level with his horrible college footwork and compensation moves like the tippy toe drop backs. He just won’t. If he can’t put that on the table for us, we would be foolish to not seek an alternative plan.

I see a bit of a ‘you Bryce doubters just don’t understand’ condescension and not just from one person.

My only logical conclusion for these overthrows downfield which I’d estimate they are generally in the 30-35 yard range give or take, is from watching that video I referenced of the two NFL QBs and their test with the targets and the radar gun. I posted a summary of it somewhere last night - it basically showed their accuracy with normal throwing effort and contrasted/compared it throws made with maximum effort. A ‘rare back and throw it as hard as you can’ fastball, if you will. They were missing high a lot. It wasn’t really a lot because they only made a few throws like that but the tendency was to overthrow, overshoot, etc. So maybe that is a factor there. It kind of stands to reason that he is trying to get more on it.

It isn’t weird if you have read the board for years and haven’t seen it. What’s weird to me is people that take that to heart and cling to it for years when if was said it couldn’t have been meant literally. 5 yards… right. That!s like someone claiming he can throw a pass 70 yards, well I know that’s just bullshit. And I am not bringing that up as some kind of ammo in an argument.

Maybe people need to have a reasonable filter to help them differentiate exaggeration for effect from serious claims.

Yeah and I am doubtful he can offer that consistently. I don’t have many years left at my age and in my view we have wasted two and this whole exercise with him was always a three year minimum. I am out on that with a guy I don’t believe in, and never believed in, it has sucked. To me it is a costly detour off the right track. Years. But I am not so rigid that I can’t see excellence. He needs to display it though, consistently before I change my outlook.

Exactly. And the flame throwers as well, get location benefits from not going all out. But they have it in reserve. Not sure how much Greg had but he was an artist. There was a YouTube I came across last year or maybe even 2023 and I don’t how to even find now but it had two NFL QBs I want say one was Carr from the Raiders but I don’t really remember The point of it is they stood side by side throwing identical distances to identical targets. Radar gun was used. They threw the normal effort (not all out) and it was measured etc. Then they were asked to throw their ‘fastball’. They were missing and most often they were missing high. It demonstrated the same principle. edit: and applying that to arm strength, give me the guy that doesn’t need max effort to have good velocity. The margins are so narrow with less velocity in tne NFL the defenders can Close on it and this is a league where they value down to the 100th of a second level. It is that tight

He has done it before. Stand in and plant and step up into pressure making the throw. There was a pretty good play on Sunday where he was in tight quarters and hung in there. He did it when he came back last year. But in preseason he was bailing again plain as day. Hearing footsteps, avoiding being hit. I don’t know. He just doesn’t stick with it.

You are characterizing skepticism or negative perception as rage and hate and vitriol and whatever else. Then you say they/we need to rein in the hyperbole. Ironic because I view your choice of words there as hyperbole. That said there is fear that he will do just enough to fool people into seeing him as the future and give him more time. Yet another year. I am there and feel like we need a very clear answer and want it this year. I don’t want to be in the same position again next year. Like, I really don’t want that. He has to tear it up for me to believe it isn’t a temporary thing and he’ll just go back to the annual week one and week two complete suckage routine. Again.