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It’s happened before. Precedent. They’ll start blaming Canales too.

my money is on what Bryce wants Tepper makes sure he gets.

Velopment was probably what was needed.

Shaq knowing the calls and nothing being changed, apparently, is the biggest issue. Or maybe right alongside the 31st run D argument. it is a major fugup. Maybe some signals compromised in the Jax game too if you listen to Saleh. But Shaq knowing the checks and stuff is something you Have to account for. I had that in mind and then we lost the board for hours and just forgot it. Here is where I believe you have to be with a green coach: you know you are going to get rookie mistakes, you see if he learns from it. Two games for the Chuba issue. He is a team captain and got some deference. I didn’t like it especially after we saw the Jets game but I get it. And let’s not pretend if a good run D wants to shut RICO down, they can’t do it. Because they will. Somebody will.

That is valid. I don’t use it but I will do a search and often end up there on an answer to the question. But I can’t navigate that place or don’t want the bother of it I should say.

Well, we weren’t expecting success (rational people anyway) we were looking for signs of it in the future. Some people saw things that weren’t there they wanted it so bad.

Well this specifically is something that is being characterized a certain way by someone grinding an axe.

I have criticized them for that. All the good that it does.

You what, fug off. You could have said that but want to be shitty.

Did they say that before or after we traded up? Draft lying is an art. I know, for the millionth time, but I give no cred to a coach that wasn’t just being nice. If he really thought Young was the 1.1 or 1.5, he loses cred with me. An (relative to them) idiot like me could see it clearly. Unless that brain of his could levitate footballs it wasn’t happening.

Nah, that’s you incoherently venting. I get that. The question was about firing the guy if he didn’t fix an unfixable player. The question of what the agreement was, has to be asked. Again, who with any sense would agree to fix Bryce Young if the price for failure was you are fired along with Young? I guess a guy that could see a payday would do that. Which you didn’t offer as a rebuttal btw. Taking the job on,y makes sense in three circumstances. You actually do think you can fix him. My least likely of the three but possible. You say if anyone can fix him I can, but it is a big job. You get assurances that if he is unfixable you get a chance with your guy. Money grab.

Well, yeah. Next year will be the first since it was done that we will get to use our draft picks. 3 years of prime talent traded for dude that was the beneficiary of a mass formation operation by the media.

I couldn’t believe they did that. Then I looked at the options which were a midget college player and an Ohio State QB, that looked much better but still… the price? Screw that.

BTW I feel another crash coming. Just got cut off about ten minutes ago and could tell something was up with the page loads.

100%. I can’t stand that. Besides arbitrarily burying under appreciated outside the box ideas it encourages groupthink. That is why I could never warm to the place. I only hear about the way it is otherwise because I just can’t hang with the format. It seems really convoluted.

That answers nothing above. I get it you hate him.

Well if that transpired I would stand on your side. I am a show me type. Don’t tell me, do it. Show me this playbook is the same a legit QB would get, to start with. Maybe get him off the play calling. I’ll allow that I don’t like his kumbaya approach, that is how a woman would sees things. And we are dealing with men.

You do it because the hope or maybe the assurance that if the player is unfixable you don’t get thrown out with him. Otherwise who ever looks at a Bryce Young and takes that job?

I might need to go read about that. The way you frame it here is that he basically sent those guys off to debate that question. Which I would agree is not an approach that I would value. There is validity to the approach but you have to have the players to do it with. If you don’t they will stop you. You know you have a great team if they know what,s coming and still can’t stop it.

I felt similar, that he fuged it up off the bat. Should have started with Rico. But Andy…. Good lord. I doubt anyone saw his mental failure as a possible threat. And he kept doing it.

I don’t have anyone in mind but think if Canales had a Mayfield or Darnold (for a bad tasting example) we would be much improved without the developmental period that no one wants to go through with Canales. I just really don’t want to go through another staff overhaul and all the player turnover that goes with it because we would be in the same place as last time with no one wanting to take the job and we would settle again. I’d probably just be out for instance if we kept Bryce and changed coaches

Do you think we lost Sunday because of Canales? I had issues with him in that game but don’t think we were going to win that one. Like I said I am kind of on the fence but it’s a suicide mission for anyone until we get the QB thing resolved.

I wish there was someone we could trade for that wouldn’t take developing.

If Ron had been given Bryce as his QB what happens though? And Ron had an excellent track record as DC and had run the 34 and the 43 both successfully in the league. He had some really good defenses. Add in, how did he do under Tepper with a damaged Cam? it isn’t really close to a fair comparison. Ron wasn’t a great HC either he was a guy that knew defense and had a great QB dumped in his lap. As far as some of the other stuff in the thread I was hot about him not being suave with Rico but he has taken action, and people have pointed out decent reasons for being 2 games slow to make the change. And we won one of them. I don’t know I have cooled off since Sunday and I wasn’t moved straight to fire him level of dissatisfaction, just decidedly unhappy with him. I don’t really have a strong opinion either way but do think he was given a no win situation with Bryce. And he hasn’t done horribly with that aspect of it, given the unreasonable expectations of the assignment. It is the NFL version of a suicide mission.

I can’t make you a great meal without the right groceries. Him not fixing Bryce is no surprise to me, as I didn’t consider it a realistic proposition to start with. My vision at the time was well he’ll show that Bryce can’t be fixed and then will get down to business with a better candidate.