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You have to look at what happened with him. I think it was three seasons at least where he was forced to deal with a new system and OC. As a young inexperienced player. How are you supposed to thrive going through that poo? In the long run it helped him, because he had been exposed to so much different stuff. And has some more experience. He can go to a new place and adapt quicker because of that experience. But when you first go through all of that it turns your head around. If he didn’t have the talent he has, he would not have succeeded. If you couldn’t see the talent he has, well you are failing, that was us.

That is the difference. When we can do to them what we did, it is a tell. They have a problem.

Hey man, fug you for saying that. The point was that Caleb has the tools that Bryce will never have. Now I am done don’t talk to me about this stupid poo anymore.

Unless you were one of the torch bearing crowd claiming Bryce would have had the same record as Stroud if all that was different was he was in Texas and Stroud was in Charlotte, it has nothing to do with your claim, other than blind player stanning. Which was the comparison. That what you claim is equally based in fanning not reality.

You can count me among those who don’t buy into it being about Cam. It was just so much Bryce hype and blind acceptance of the narrative. It was a Psyop. Bryce did well in places this year but he should never ever ever have been the 1.1.

Well, if they are trading him, Morgan got good value for AT. Good value for the misfit locker room cancer Johnson, didn’t he? Pretty good value for the 7th rounder he swapped to Seattle for Jackson. That doesn’t guarantee anything but it is worth noting.

That is why he is there, his record with grooming and coaching QBs. That has been Pittsburgh’s Achilles heel, a rotating door of sub par QBs. They could hire a great defensive guy, and probably repeat that scenario every couple of years. It surprised me too, but I think that is what is behind it.

I would think if it were scripted for LA they would not have ‘missed’ that face mask.

Whatever the outcome of the play ended up being, it was a feat. Off his back foot falling backwards. Wilson never ever had a prayer of making that exact throw. He was like Bryce, needed forward momentum to chuck the ball that deep.

It really is hard to project that because also we would have still had Fitterer. I don’t think we would have hired Wilks, and I say that as a Wilks advocate from that time. Tepper was determined to switch the focus to offense. We might have turned out to be successful, with a good offensive coach onboard. And all those players and picks and FA budget. But we’d have still had Fitterer. and Tepper

That is some real reaching. I am saying Johnson would avoid being tied to Young as his QB in the first place. You want to line all the ducks up to prop up your fantastical projection. Which would not line up in reality. What you are saying is equally as preposterous as the people insisting Bryce would have taken the Texans to the playoffs his rookie year. Same kind of fanning.

Good lord. What you would have is, we would have a QB that could throw a dime 45 yards falling backwards, for a TD. Chicago would have a huge need for more weapons to have any hope. And they would not have Johnson to help, because he knows better than to hitch his wagon to Young. They would be having to settle for a Canales.

That trade up was the stupidest, most impatient thing the Panthers could have done. Neither one of those players was ever going to be worth that kind of investment. I’m not sure any player is. Icing on the cake was.. you draft a QB and trade away the only real Wr weapon you had. It was as opposite of smart as there ever could be. fuging idiots. And to cement the fact that they are idiots, they went with a weak armed undeveloped physical outlier, of historical proportions.

I think that somehow the NFL becomes more liable for the point shaving going on if they directly full time employ the refs.

Well we paid Hunt probably 20 million to rehab and are giving Icky 16 or 17 to rehab, and we will have to pay for his replacement as well. It is a dilemma for me because I am a big believer that you win with a stout OL, and DL too. But paying a guard 100 million to protect your little QB is fuging ridiculous. I like Hunt he doesn’t suck but we weren’t getting our money’s worth when he was healthy IMO. We need to trim his money and I guess that means he goes with it. And it can’t happen this year. We definitely need to draft a bunch of O linemen the next couple of years. I really don’t like hearing all this TE from Oregon talk.

Yeah. Probably will be close. I am not rooting for anyone don’t really care that much. Same for the AFC game, don’t really care. Except it is Sean Payton, I always like it when he loses. But it’s New England, I can’t root for them. It’s going to be 23 degrees at kickoff in Denver, wind will 12-15mph, dropping to 13 degrees by 7pm with snow predicted to start before halftime.

No idea about the AFC. i hate to pick Denver so I won’t. I think LA falls short though. Their defense is a little suspect and Seattle is a hard place to go into. Rams do have a lot of trips in there and it might not be as much of a hurdle to them as someone traveling cross country that never plays there. We’ll see what kind of bullshit the refs pull today.

That is what I thought, but the place I looked did not say that. I’ll worry about it when we trade somebody I guess.

If they aren’t willing to pay Mayes I would think they have something in mind. Just not telling us about it yet.

When we were talking about trading Bryce last year (dammit) I looked it up, and of course don’t remember for sure. I just looked it up again. I found that any signing bonus paid that was pro rated over the length of the contract comes due immediately. All guaranteed money comes due also.

Lol. Yeah. First of all, some people here had it in for him because they wanted McConkey. They were down on him from the start. As soon as he falls short they got their knives out. Don’t y’all deny it. But he has given them ammunition with his miscues, good lord not making that catch in Philedelphia for the TD got him fried. I think some of that got nasty because Bryce defenders need to place blame elsewhere. Talk down about his weapons. There is just bias against him from different factions. Different quarters. He isn’t helping himself much either, there was no real redemption on the field. Not of the magnitude he needed to produce. At the same time he has for sure been open and I ha en’t seen them use him the way I thought they were going to. So I don’t know what to think think about it really. My thing is, we have a HC and OC that has their foundation built on WR coaching. That morphed into QB coaching and whispering, if you will. But these fugers know WRs, supposedly. I don’t know how much they have worked with him. I don’t know how much extra he has put in either. I do suspect Bryce Young has gotten most of their attention and they haven’t put XL as a priority project. Young needed the attention, I get that. I’d like to see them take him on as a real priority before giving up on him. Where we are now is he got his notice that he isn’t good enough. Need to see if that got through to him, maybe he bears down and focuses. Or maybe he can’t. I can’t defend his shitty play but I do see flashes of a guy that could be an asset and I would just like the staff to take one good last swing at bringing it out of him before they give up.

Been over this, but it doesn’t look like Icky will be getting a big extension. 2027 opens up possibilities to shed some contracts. You can sign an expensive C and give a huge prorated signing bonus and a tiny 1st year salary and work around any financial obstacles for 2026. This OL needs to be rebuilt or reloaded in the next 2-3 years starting with LOT this year. This tackle money can drop quickly, if they can draft guys. I am not saying what we should do, just saying we could do whatever financially. We just need to cover LOT right now.

This could indicate that it is.

I mean the only thing I can see is he good with QBs and they haven’t had one in forever. This guy has done the crown jewel franchises now.

Wow no kidding. McCarthy is the retread that won’t die.