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I am one of those still like to work and the skills have not eroded at all but have been ageism-ed out by my 'industry'. The golden years....

Cam is a icon and entertainer now. For ESPN. I think has abandoned the idea of playing again. Probably because he knows his arm wouldn't hold up? also, that 2021 thing turned him against the franchise it seems. He was all in on the media Panthers ruined him, didn't support him, etc. Last I heard. Which probably helped him get hired there.

Someone said he was making 20 million or so now. Maybe he isn't costing us that due to a prorated signing bonus like we are dealing with, with Bryce Young? Where we are on the hook for all of Bryce's signing bonus if we move him.

It isn't 'we' afaic. I would have no answer for it. Besides Snow's thoughts on appeasing Tepper. I am obviously where you are. But I'd rather see his narrow ass on the sidelines than on the field looking like a high school player that won the NFL QB for a day contest.

Lol. I was think of it not as me, but a collective thing. My prize slush fund is pretty meager. Might consist of a personally donated service at this point. I wouldn't call my income situation fixed. More like broken. I live in a place that the property taxes and insurance have me on a strict budget. It has gotten crazy.

yeah. I admit it, it is true. Just playing him in garbage time against a prevent starts the Bryce media lobby and stan machine up again. Had more than enough.

I am not going to look for what I saw but it was specific to Dan and Dave, so maybe it was kind of real? It was mentioned, I think, that he had already decided to sign wherever the hell he signed and it wasn't an option. It was likely for a backup job anyway, I would guess. Considering the situation they inherited. Just a tidbit though I am surely not invested in the idea.

My view is that the time for speculating is long past. The evidence is clear. And chasing your losses trying to recoup is just bad policy.

I am thinking he wasn't a big influence in QB evaluation given his background. I wouldn't lean on him for that personally. Out of that list though, it isn't about who decided to draft them. It is about the track record after coming to the NFL and how they are viewed potential wise going forward. An under the radar guy that we could get without mortgaging too much fits our situation right now, probably. I read some Bucs stuff while looking for the Canales and Mayfield narrative and came across some reporting on Canales comments and also fan and media opinions that the competition in preseason/camp 2023 was very close between Trask and Mayfield. So it might be something to keep in mind. We're gonna need a backup maybe. Also I remember someone saying that when he came in here there was talk of them wanting to pursue Lock. Don't shoot the messenger I am just relaying what I read. I don't know poo about either player.

That's a totally logical and intuitive perception to me.

I am old and it was at the root of my disappointment in the way things have been run the last 7 years. I don't think I'll make it to the good times if they ever come back. I felt like it was being stolen from me. As far as Wilks, yeah his support staff was not impressive and that is a big factor no doubt when hiring. As far as the TB game, I can't or wouldn't try to obscure the results. And it is a results deal. But he was sort of in the same position as we are now on defense. We are hurting more front 7 but he had a lot of not good to work with in his secondary if I remember right. And the 'not a yes man' strikes me as a factor as well.

Yeah. Okay how do we expand on that to get that rolling? Something to ponder. Maybe the prize is you get your sign blown up on a billboard?

I don't disagree with that at all. I guess the crux is how much the person is susceptible to being influenced. I thought that had something to do with Wilks not being more seriously considered; Tepper wanted a yes man. Why Frank was probably gone. Maybe he has learned, because I don't think Canales went for that yes man stuff after a certain point.

You know how the media is nowadays. The most sensational, over the top click bait stuff gets their attention. Which maybe isn't that helpful? At the same time, one or more of those signs will end up being unique and fresh and stand out, so more minds at work is a good thing too. Maybe auditioning some potential sign messages would be helpful or at least entertaining.

That works if the owner isn't a fan too.

yeah that is how I would think it would be. Which informs my thinking that they really probably aren't the big issue with bad talent decisions. Like, replace them all.... what would that really do? You are gonna have under and over achievers just like any other group. Regarding the bad fits, bad evaluations, I would just assume or infer that that is as much a product of different standards or whatever, between different coaches. Systems. Philosophies. And changing these people out all the time leads to poo being out of synch.

Sure, but at the same time as an owner and paycheck signer, certain inside stuff would be something I'd want. I am going to hopefully hire a person I'd respect enough to allow them to do their job and shoot me straight about stuff if I had questions. I know I'd have curiosity about whatever was going on. The actual rigidity of a weekly meeting is probably not necessary for that to happen.

That's pretty much what I imagined. I don't have the feeling that they were behind Bryce Young for instance. I refer back to the comments about the coaching staff meeting with the scouts to set the traits they are looking for in what they plan to run, and get people on the same page. Which I don't remember hearing anyone articulate before. Not that it shouldn't be a normal part of the process, maybe no one bothered to point it out to the civillians.

I suppose. It wouldn't bother me. I think Canales has shown he can deal with it. But you don't have to think the same as me, let's leave it here.

No doubt. It would be best if there was a unified message. What could it be that wouldn't be viewed as mean spirited. I lol'd at myself thinking that the people pulled over with the signs in their trunk would be Bruyce's parents.

That works too. Need to get a statement made that he will hear. The stans will be out there destroying signs, they'll catch one with a trunk full. that'll be some entertainment.

That is a strong message. Valid. I'm thinking the message that we have had enough; Young is a serious deal breaker... needs to somehow be communicated. It's a tricky one.

He is also kind of benched or demoted until Thielen went down. If you don't agree that's fine, I wasn't trying to make him out to be all pro just saying that most of Mingo's time has been with the worst QB we have ever fielded. It has to make a difference.

And can I ask, again, if anyone is knowledgeable about what roles the scouts actually play in selecting players? As opposed to finding them for the higher ups to evaluate? I could be wrong as hell because I don't know, but I'd think they do the prospecting and culling to present the better options to the people who will be doing the real evaluating. Someone did something right on Coker fwiw. Anyone knows the inside scoop of what their responsibilities really are, spill.

That is the key to meeting with the coaches. Just get the progress report. Ask, if you want, what they think of how player x is doing? What plans are in store? What do we think of the team we are facing Sunday? That's all fine, or there is no harm in it. Don't cross the line and inject yourself into the decision making on the day to day. adding: it probably wouldn't kill anything if he asked why a certain decision was made, as long as he just gathers the info and doesn't start with the 'suggesting'.