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The adage “if you have 2 QBs you have none” comes to mind. And the last guy they need to be in the middle of controversy like that is little man. Allowing that to happen undermines the objective they were assigned which puts them in jeopardy. It works out for them either way if they don’t fug it up. Either Bryce is better and shows it or he shows he is not the future. They can survive either of those outcomes.

Which is exactly why it wasn't made, seems to me.

You have a good two years of it right there.

People worry about it because of the same huge issue that has affected everything since he was over drafted. QB is such an outsized influence anyway and when they keep trotting him out there hoping for a different result, people need to understand why that is happening. I guess. Man I expected exactly what the Saints did, but didn’t expect it to be That bad from Bryce. Things are really getting interesting.

If he put down the mandate of Bryce on the hiring of the coach and GM, he can step back and not involve himself in the daily details, with his influence still impacting the daily and the macro view. I agree with the guy that said people would hate me when if I were owner, because it is my way or the highway at the point I own the team. I like to think I would listen to pros and accept their reasoning, until it proved to be flawed and then I would snatch up some of that ownership power and wield it.

Sorry for being dense. I guess you are saying the consensus is what I bolded, and that they were really done with Bryce when they benched him? Or the first part before that? Myself, I didn’t go for that when I saw him get the garbage time opps but I guess I have seen that from people. It would have been nice if the mechanical fixes took, but they obviously haven’t.

That morale bomb, you could see that early in the year with the defense I thought. Then they pulled the Miami game out and it got better for a while.

I see Morgan as managing the problem as best he can by doing what he can everywhere but that QB room. I don’t know what any person in that job could really do to eliminate the Bryce element unilaterally, without the owner becoming irate. If I have the owner’s position figured correctly, that is. If he can somehow maneuver his way through this poo maybe he gets to tackle the QB room after this year.

We have a consensus? What is it? All I see is arguments about it.

I am reading that stuff about 30 deep completions or whatever it was and thinking to myself, “what? Where was I when this happened?” 10 games. That is 3 a game, do I need to look at each passing chart to count them? I guess so.

it seems like it to me. It makes sense to me, anyway. Tepper’s overriding interest was making Bryce work. At least for me, I can explain things that I have seen easier if I accept that as a premise. We don’t have actual hard evidence of anything so it is a ‘what if’ free for all with people left to decide what they think happened. Also, I don’t know about GM interviews but I can easily imagine some coaching candidates not wanting to be tied to Bryce.

I think both angles could have factored. I mean, we have a conversation about it and I say “well Andy knows the offense and is a positive for Bryce” and you say “plus, if we bring someone who would really compete we may be making a problem for ourselves” and I say “fair point, let’s go with Andy”. edit: this assumes there was a Bryce is the unquestioned starter mindset which I do assume myself.

Reasonable. I do like the idea of revisiting the how we found Jake model. For a couple of reasons.

I definitely think we should target a backup, under the age of around 28 or so. Someone we could get 5 or 6 years out of preferably. If they were the real deal.

Yeah at least in our case. I think they know the league favorites better than the loser Panthers. They know Tepper meddles, that’s about the depth of their perception. They fill in some blanks and have a take.

I am going with the prove it beyond all doubt angle, give him every chance because that is the job they took. If I thought both or either was doing this, all of it related to the room and the roster, because they were personally all in on Bryce you can show them the door. I just feel like there were conditions of employment and they accepted the conditions and are living up to their promise to do everything possible before giving up. Or rather, getting the word that they are off the leash and to proceed with moving on. I have to hope that is it because otherwise this is idiocy.

Absent proof that he absolutely concurred 100% with his superior, there is nothing that can change my opinion. Also, I would appreciate it if you would not lay the motivation for that opinion on wanting Morgan to succeed because he is an ex Panther. I do want hi. To succeed because of that and just because he is the GM of my favorite team, but I have enough independent thinking ability to separate my feelings from what I see as reason. I said many times before Morgan ever made GM or before Bryce was chosen that I could not believe and ex player could endorse that decision. I was speaking of Reich but also a MLB? Really? I feel like any ex high level defensive guy would be salivating at the prospect of facing a Bryce in a game. Whether an ex Panther, a Giant, a Buc, whatever jersey they wore.

I am not sure anyone here can definitively say Morgan Did want to draft Young. Or even make that trade. Also, I am giving him leeway whether you want to do that or not. We will have to disagree. I cannot get my mind around the idea that he could look at Bryce and endorse taking him 1.1. If it comes out of his mouth then I will believe it. Not another poster or five other posters. WI will concede that possibly he wa fooled last year with so many others, into thinking Bryce might have a future. That via as far as I can go I also think, without proof, that he defers to the offensive guys in some of these evaluations and is the bigger voice on the defensive evaluations because that is his background

If you agreed to work under a condition and your hands were tied… you would pretty much do what Morgan has done, or tried to do. Which is improve everything else. Taking QB out of Morgan’s evaluation makes him look pretty good. There are tells that he was under a mandate IMO which is the OL construction, and the two first picks in 2024 being offensive skill guys. His work in his second year looks much better. We potentially had one of the top few drafts of all the teams in 2025. I would personally give him the QB transition, if we have one, and see what he does in the draft and FA one more year before judging him.

Totally in alignment with this reasoning.

Excluding Cleveland because they took two guys but neither in the 1st… The model of taking a guy high and taking a shot down the draft has worked out great for two teams that come to mind as having done it. Purdy, and Kirk Cousins are the guys that saved each draft. I don’t know about a 1st rounder this year for us but if we ever do it again, we should follow those examples.

I feel certain there was a prescribed timeline and probably linked to the 5th year option crossroads.

That is why Vrabel is not here. I was always about the strong defensive minded hard ass as a leader model and would have taken him gladly.

Morgan played MLB at a high level and set a SB record for tackles (11, broken later it stands at 12 now). He knows, he just has to get through the season. This was always going to be the course the team took. Because of the owner and the investment made. If it wasn’t Morgan, anybody else hired as GM would have had the same terms imposed. Give Bryce every chance. In terms of games, in terms of talent around him, that was the mission. I don’t want to give Tepper credit he may not deserve so I won’t say we only have a few more games to suffer, but I hope this is season is enough to settle the issue.

Yeah This is a big part of the challenge. It’s the blind leading the blind without established guys. At the same time the saying is you lose a game fle every rookie you start. Still, I like that we are playing young guys overall.