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Bro 1-12 skews thew record pretty hard. Obviously ther last 6 yeasrs sucked. This is like people lost at sea in a raft looking at open ocean ands seeing an oasis. It was a total illusion.

No, we don’t.

Hehehehe really, amazing how that works. But people think bad quarterbacks just have bad coaches.

He didn’t forget. It is that his game does not withstand the pressure of everyone being so much bigger, faster, and most are now just as smart as him too. He doesn’t have the tools. He obviously cannot see where he is throwing the ball if he stays in a pocket.

He isn’t going to have to do those press conferences much longer.

The wife knows all about it from him coming home and talking. The who and the why, she has heard it. I wish she would have really gone there.

Go back to camp when the pads went on and it wasn’t just pitch and catch. Word was not good. This has been what it always was going to be.

This is the new Panther fan reality, reduced to rooting for Tepper’s misery. Stupid stupid stupid trade and the pick was death wish level.

Another way to look at it is they brought in 100s of years of NFL offensive experience and they couldn’t make him into something he isn’t.

You?

Horseshit. It isn’t college and you can’t ruin somethingh that isn’t there. That is him failing, is what it is. It’s uop tyo him to keep going or quit. I admire that he is trying, but I don’t see him overcoming his shortcomings. Go back to the first padded practices and see what was leaking out.

Yes. No doubt they have had some embarrassingly bad plays and games and season, all of it. But There have been plays that they did their jobs and the play was there to be made and it isn’t seen or isn’t executed. He will hold the ball often enough that you shouldn’t say he doesn’t. More than he should. The biggest impediment to the offense has been the stacking of the defense in tight and not respecting the deep ball. We have seen what that does to you, I believe maybe it was 2018? It was very obvious with Cam because of his track record of wrist flicking 40 ropes. At the same time it is so much worse now because Cam’s bum arm could still hurt you intermediate/semi deep. What I have said all along is Young needs too much arc to get his distance, like Russell Wilson in that way. And Wilson was a lucky SOB with WRs that would fight and get those ducks. With Bryce Young we need those types of WRs more than speedy ones that will outrun his range in no time. I will say this again: Fast WRs will outrun his range on deep balls. We need jump ball specialists. I’d get me some glorified TEs that will block, with great hands who will fight for the football. And win. You want to fix Bryce Young, that is your only chance. I usually don’t try to imagine how he could succeed because every time I try, nope. But that might. What a plan lol.

If the mechanics are so bad you need that much time and work to fix them (it is a really difficult thing to do, tearing down and eliminating bad form), if you need that much time sit him year one and fix them.

If I were going to watch games in 2025 I’d agree. You have to get that top pick back and he is the man to do it.

Well, to br real asbout it then offense has looked unlike any offdense we have really ever seen here, or in the NFL lately and by lately, say since 1958. We had a building full of successful and respected offensive coaches. Agreed? In what world do people like Reich who played himself and has easily 30 years in, Caldwell who has intimate knowledge of Peyton Manning offenses, etc etc, not understand the concept of throwing a deep ball? There honestly is only one answer as to why they wouldn’t use it in their offense. There are multiple reasons they wouldn’t do it, but it is all subcategorized under personnel. And that is way more about who is throwing the ball than it is about slow Wrs and a porous OL. Because there are ways to get those WRs open and ways to buy time for a deep throw. But they still wouldn’t go there. It is time to open eyes for some of y’all. Do your own re-evaluation and see if you really still feel like you did in April through today.

I never believed in the hire. Running back, no pro play calling, staff assembled to groom and cater to quarterback. I never saw a great reason for it. Tepper did I guess.

Complete cheap shot. And misguided as well. I expected more from you, I am starting to see what some people mean.

It absolutely is like a chore but I watch thje replay. No way those people mess up a nice Sunday afternoon. They need to earn that back and I don’t think they can. They have done nothing right in 6 years.

I'm not dying man and I don’ty see a hill. I have an opinion about a player. I was a Cam fan, wanted more for him that I believe was in his reach. You think I am the only person that feels that way? And if I was so what. Watched ball for over 60 years seen most of them come through.

We could do this for years. It’s how I feel. No ill will just real.

I don’t really understand what I said has much to do with that unfortunate poo. That goes under play style and career trajectory. Or plain old Black Cat luck. I am talking about stuff that wasn’t necessarily a strong point, stuff was there when he came into the league. I never thought it was… prioritized in the off seasons. When you break rookie records I guess you are already built well enough. I think that was the mindset maybe. I know he got cut way short and what I talked about may not have mattered at all because it was such a short career.

The issue is offense any way you cut it. What is the point of comparing the defenses? We know what the year to year comparison is about. It’s about the reasons we are 1 and whatever and very few of those whatevers have been on the defense. Comparing the ’22 and ’23 offenses, you’ll need the humor in the face of adversity gene.

I don’t understand the neg comparisons to Allen but there is no perfect player. Every one of them could do better, with few exceptions. It’s a lot, being great at every aspect. My thing with Cam was HOF greatness unfulfilled. I wish he had visibly addressed things that were not 100% to potential, and I would feel much better about how it all went. I feel he left a fair amount on the football table. Maybe he did a ton of work people didn’t see but the first offseason he went back to college. I had a different plan lol. But he went his entire career without learning how to take something off the ball (until his shoulder forced that). He was kind of the ultimate power hitter that strikes out a lot. You have to take that along with the homers. We had to take the overthrows and the finger breakers that guys couldn’t handle along with the superman stuff. He was man among boys at times. I just thought he was so gifted that it came too easy for him and he left things on the table. I guess some people will be all mad about saying he wasn’t perfect. Now that stuff about did he understand the game, I wonder because of the simplicity of the offense and the reliance on his legs, but then there is that “oh, you been watching film huh? Watch this” which is the greatest audio ever. So what are you gonna say about that now? I can’t say anything. I would say he understands it. I do think that had he somehow gotten footwork together and benefitted from some improved accuracy, he would have been HOF shoo in and there would have been some real hardware. As to McDermott saying that style of play always loses in the long career department or however he said it, I agree with that. I don’t know what he could have meant by ruining.

Can’t edit the Braves link out either and wth is that doing there lol. Sorry.

Can’t edit to add so back to back… In the video the says he is The Best QB Prospect yada yada go to 4:39 which is a play vs Auburn, that is being held up as an example of him setting his feet and being great. I don’t understand what setting your feet means, apparently. It is in there somewhere right before the extra stuff in his windup and delivery. I think, but seems to be the move that initiates his throwing process. I’ll just move along to the point. Okay, somewhere around thew 30 yard line he takes a step that would be “up into the pocket” and …now, time to throw (for guys with good arms). But he then takes a running start to launch the ball finally from maybe the 37 being generous, it could be past that. His front foot, after the release, looks to be past the 38. It is hard to be more exact at that angle. I am trying to round down, in his favor, when I don’t feel sure, trying to be as fair as possible. But it is pretty clear there are at least two more strides advancing towards the target before starting the windup or loading the ball into throwing position. That’s what I called the running start. There are a lot of guys who can throw that with a flick of the wrist standing flat footed. Know that, and ignore it, you better have a great reason. I don’t see it. That is the sort of stuff that I took into pre draft discussions. Which is a cohttp://www.chopcountry.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=2mpletely ‘nother sad story, because precious few were interested in a considering a different opinion. All I can say is why shouldn’t people look at that and ask how that translates to the NFL? If they shouldn’t, why the hell not? It is you turn to explain that as far as I am concerned. College tape doesn’t really hide these things either so keep on with that it just helps teach people. That tape shows you a lot if you are not focusing on the result of the play. And it isn’t that there aren’t some great plays, the first question there is, to me, would those be great plays against even a sub par NFL defense? That may lead to a different answer, and just that there is a valid question is enough for me to downgrade. To put the player’s value at him being worth what they traded? Hell I was screaming No and it will never make sense. To me, he was still a huge gamble even at 9 because of that tippy toe ridiculousness alone.