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I would probably argue that the definition of great changes depending on who is doing the defining, and how they feel about who they are applying it to. If we replace great with NFL level, it is a lot easier to concede that he had a good day. I could root for him as an underdog but, he is no underdog. I mean, this guy had the golden ticket laid on him in high school, he is the media and corporate pick. And I looked and didn’t see why at a glance. So I started looking. Performance only. Serious questions. I believe they are legit and I believe they have manifested on the field. Which brings us to the crossraods here. I never under any circumstances wanted to take a player that so much had to be done to accomodate them, it is about that simple. At that position for what they paid, it was insanity masquerading as ‘we are smarter than you’. Now they are stuck with a job on the line life or death type of situation for a skill set that is a lot closer to what you find in the bottom of the 1st through about the 3rd round. And I feel like that is generous. He has displayed grit and toughness, and I like a lot of what I hear (have never listened to a post game pc, it is other stuff), but it will take a lot more than that to make that arm stretch the field. It is like 2/3 or 3/4 or 7/8 whatever fraction you prefer, short of average. That will not go away. It has to be accounted for. There are things we will simpy never see as long as he is quarterback. Speaking of… I realy loved the sneak fwiw. Favorite play.

He played well. What it looked like to me in general, overall, is that he threw the ball with people on the target. Stuff that people were claiming was covered before (“where do you expect him to throw it?”), he was targeting. Finally. And completing which was the best part. I still have many doubts but he did look better. Big picture: I mean, great, yes, they scored 30 and the D wasn’t in on it. This loss seems to fit as a win in people’s minds so it qualifies for stuff you think and say and hear after wins. One of them is the bad stuff doesn’t seem as bad when you win. And that is true. Easier to live with. But it is still there. That team Green Bay fielded on D wasn’t very good. So what this means who knows. At least the kid had a decent game. We’ll soon see if it was progress. Refs though… have to agree with those complaining about that lost challenge of the deciding play. Not a catch.

Haven’t watched the game.

You aren’t making a connection between what we watched all year and his abilities. Or the limitations imposed by his skill set. Those aren’t in question and don’t need answering. We should discuss what he Can do. What does that look like?

Why go through that pain? We know he sucks. You are now forcing a second coach to try ands make him into something.

3rd rounders grow and develop.

When he tells them to play the best players I’ll think something is changing. Are the weekly coach meetings still rolling?

Same fire,keeps getting doused, and there is always that one guy.

He lacks perspective here, seems to me. He is a lot of show and flash which, what does he think team President does? I think he could thrive if he set his sights on something on the other side of the glass like commentating in or hosting a parallel telecast like the Mannings. Something fun.

Flip it. HE is gonna do what he pleases, and we haven’t ‘got’ that yet. Good times.

So, those are the ‘before’ pics. They are no good without the ‘after’. They just may well prove you don’t do that. Or, maybe they are 20 ft throws, or just throwaways even. Now, Cam, or a couple of these other guys, are not 'must have proper form' to get velocity, they just flick the wrist.

Sorry that previous post I made should have included this, I was replying to it.

People went over the heads and behind the backs of other people, if you believe the reports. I do. Smoke, fire, etc. You are correct in positing that I have no direct knowledge of any of it. IMO that is immaterial to what should be done about it if you are the one in charge. I mean, whoever is in charge is going to have the facts and if the facts lined up with the reports..... Firing them all is on the table. Clean every room in the house. Baby and bathwater, all of it.

Maybe there are no “Tepper” guys, fair enough. Humor me. Make sure of it by getting rid of any “me” type of self preservationists. Yeah, 1st one to go. Too bad. Each of those people's is a talented coach, but you can’t have that tattletale culture.

A lot to read. As far as Fitterer, we can all have different reasons. Plenty to go around. I don’t doubt his job was tough between the manic Tepper, obsessed with settling his QB situation with one move (And then another, and another). One slice of that, add a piece of Rhule bread on the other side, and Fitterer there in the middle-a real poo sandwich Cut Fitterer loose? Sure, it is a disaster. Next. It’s gonna be that loop, whoever replaces him, ad infinitum, unless you actually think we can attract a winning coach with Bryce Young conditionally attached. The article I preferred to Person’s, was https://theathletic.com/5149666/2023/12/20/nfl-gms-front-offices-best-worst-rosters/?source=user_shared_article 5 Best 5 Worst type of piece, Fitterer apparently isn’t fooling anybody. As far as JR: JR meddled his ass off rest assured. Personally, I felt like that whole Peppers thing; tagged twice and lost anyway, was linked with Jake’s big extension which was the ripest contract to go into looking for Peppers tag relief. And that really hurt things for a while. However that was, whatever it was, here is the Major thing with Tepper vs JR, and meddling, and a lot of the rest of it: JR played in the league. I am gonna say that ten times… He understood football. JR was qualified to meddle when it comes right down to it. Tepper is not in that class. Not that meddling is great but it can be if it is the right meddling. You know, it might be good if someone with some football smarts meddled with Fitterer.

People are mad at those who don’t believe for disagreeing with them, and that is why this really factioned off. The way people talked even before the draft if you didn’t want Young? It could be called abuse. Certainly insulting. And all year most have denied any of it was his fault. Coaches, WRs, OL, if only they were better. Reich’s and Brown’s offense looked horrible because why? They wouldn’t throw deep. Why in the hell wouldn’t they throw deep? Honestly, can’t defend it, but I think I know why.

Lol I was looking to see if there was a down stairway he was on the first step of. The revisionist history saying no one said anything? No it was said, no one wanted to hear it. They just kept saying SEC and processor and NFL ready.

I think the whole team deserves credit. They played the long game on Atlanta. All year, no deep threat. And what they call deep is 15 yards… It was all to set up Atlanta for that 20 yard bomb. No one expected that.

Let him enjoy it, I don’t think he has a lot of those days ahead of him. Going out there every week after I sucked and lost, hell yes I’d be happy as hell to avoid that.

His downfall has been his processor isn’t what they claimed, his arm is weak and he is not real fast although his elusiveness has improved lately. Add the height and tippy toe stuff? That is probably the worst thing about him. Let’s see somebody fix that. Seriously. I don’t think it can be changed. He fortunately recovered his no ball security again fumble. And was squashed. So, durable!

You must mean “I” because “you” isn’t me. One or two nice things with a pass but they stand out due to their rarity. His running is much improved the last couple, but not special. I was happy to see it though. I don’t think people can see him right away when he gets straight upfield out of the pocket. Use it. I know the wind was a factor but his balls were wobbly as hell and slow as hell against that wind and made it to the target and past the defense by the narrowest of margins. There is a law of averages and it will get him on those types of throws, even though they worked for him today. I think. Unless he can get more velocity on the ball, today was the top of the mountain for him. I don’t have emotion over it as far as he is concerned, that is saved for the people that put him here. It’s just what it looks like to me.

I was being considerate in honor of a win by not commenting on why there wasn’t a sneak in the plan. They got the job done.

Wet conditions, one win all year, knock a division team down that had something to play for? I didn’t watch yet but I’d maybe QB sneak if that failed twice kick it on 3rd down, for my extra careful just in case black cat side.

He’ll take Chicago and Tepper’s picks and build a powerhouse, Tepper is completely humiliated. Tepper deserves it.

Evans was unchallenged. Basically. Sad. I meant that don’t know the plan they had for dealing with him. Blown assignments maybe? Someone didn’t hear the call, or just didn’t know the assignment? To me, thinking that Wilks would ignore the 1st time, and the 2nd, is like thinking Reich doesn’t know what a deeper than ten yard route is. Doesn’t really compute.