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Pretty sure Stroud took a weak roster and made them better. In his first year. WR numbers were up with him throwing to them. Seriously, who can Young elevate? He needs to be elevated. That is the difference, I think it is a large gap. Young. It is always going to come back to people overlook his arm strength needing a big accommodation. I came into the year doubting he could make up for it and he has done little to ease any concerns. Every time I see a QB flip it 40 yards without trying, I get the blues.

I couldn’t finish it, really. So he got mad. Do something about it. I believe you get respect if you pull your weight in the job we share. The reality is when BY9 shows he can do the job better than he has so far, maybe someone will listen to him tell them about what they need to do. Before that? It’s just talk. As far as radio personality's 'oh boy Bryce Young is mad, look out now’ schtick, was Young pissed that the Bears dropped an int on the third down immediately before the long FG attempt? Or that he was incomplete on 1st and 2nd down? Who was he mad at? I hope himself. I mean, they apparently were 3 yards away from Piniero’s personal best yard line, and three plays left them in the same place. 3 plays and you guys can’t get a yard? What kind of faith do you want at that point? More than I’d have. At the time I bet the OL or WRs were blamed but it was 0-3 with the game on the line. I remember now they blamed Reich. edit: also, at the time, those 3 plays were called by Brown and after the game Reich took the play calling back. FWIW. I think three incompletions from there is pretty bad.

I believe it was the coaching. Why traditional approaches to supporting a rookie QB were abandoned, I can only guess, but the design played to the weaknesses of the personnel. I mean, in 2022 we had a 2nd tier OL but it was maximized mostly by Wilks for everyone to see, just months before Reich was handed the keys. They were not going to win against the elite DLs but they could compete against the rest, if you design your approach to take their strengths into consideration. And that is enough to give you a chance to at least run an offense and get some work on other things for that QB. Get little green some experience, some positive experience. Something to build on. Nope, let’s make it all harder than it has to be.

Depends on some things. Is Tepper the owner? JK but I want to know they aren’t burned out or ready to quit so we’ll assume it is 10 years. I don’t feel like some of the younger newer ones are proven yet so am not gonna pretend I know enough to speak to their future prospects. John Harbaugh, Tomlin have such high floors and that is what it’s about to me. I’d rather watch that year in year out even if there is no Superbowl, though both those guys have won that. I wouldn’t complain. Shanahan. Payton (sorry). McVay for offensive types. I’d take McDermott. Ryans. Vrabel. Not sure about the younger newer offensive guys.

It was weird to me, instant Love and Devotion and First Name Only status, he had not even put on the uniform and was treated as practically sacred by people here. Dare to ask a question that the answer isn’t likely what they want to hear, much less outright criticize, and you are insulted and mocked. A lot of people just lost their minds over it.

I don’t see any angle that makes us better than last.

Lol lord is there no Patriots entry here? They have been the gold standard for 20 years. Or, maybe they made 19, orc 18, due to the last couple of seasons. (oops, yeah Baltimore for sure). But I’m going them, Steelers, KC, Saints, Bills, a few others, but it’s changing. Some teams have turned it around but I just can’t make myself write their name in this kind of discussion.

And it seemed like he came in late, as an afterthought but not that because it illustrated how unenthusiastic Rhule or whoever was over what they already had done at the position. You could just tell it was someone panicking behind the scenes, hint hint, about the QB position. Which has been the norm for 4 years at least, I lose track.

Well, the thing that made that a losing strategy (which Reich damn well knew) was the non stretching of the field, the ridiculous number of guys people were putting in the box, etc. It makes it about impossible to play that dink game.

That is why guys like him don’t go up top. I don’t know what was in peoples’ brains. Alleged professionals.

Bizarre is right, do you think Frank even thought it possible to fix his footwork? If you have ever been okay at something and done it that way for a long enough time, and tried to change it you might agree that reverting to the familiar when it’s money time is the thing you have to conquer. And it is very very hard to do. People are talking like changing your footwork is a simple thing to do, as if rebuilding that guy from the ground up is something you can do in two ore three months. I don’t believe that, to start with. I wonder if they can fix it period, much less on a short schedule. His footwork ion particular? Seems to have at least one extra move in it. Which has to precede the loading up. So you are talking time. When I think of the velocity disadvantage he has to contend with and the extra hitch in the footwork, you are talking a split second on each end of the D. up front pass rush before the release and whatever the slower velocity gives to closing defenders. FWIW footwork related to throwing position, alignment with target, was a big Stroud attribute. Something about he has one motion, very efficient, and he was in position to cock and release - with his feet pointing where the ball was going. I hadn’t noticed it myself but could see it in the examples. OTOH I saw Bryce’s issues right away. And we are back around to bizarre.

That is what Reich was trying to do with the neutered offense, because Tepper wouldn’t okay sitting him. So Frank was trying to limit his exposure. At least that is what I believe.

Not one person that crows this everyone but Bryce crap has enough sense to consider why the plays sucked. I mean, has ANYONE ever seen the likes of the offense these coaches put out there? I think the honest answer has to be no. Nothing I have ever seen even comes close. You’d have to go back to when the forward pass was new. He cannot make enough types of throws on time with enough velocity to play in the NFL. They found out the hard way they can’t treat him like the players they are used to working with. That offense is what you got. Actually I know how to design an offense for him. Get Gettleman back and draft those NBA tall WRs and jump ball it 10 yards a play down the field. Bryce can make those throws and he won’t need to see where he is throwing it really. Just throw to a spot where your 7’ WR will be standing.

fug you Tepper. Stupid sob.

Yeah the reason I am so enthusiastic about a new coach is because they aren’t hiring a coach who says no to starting and building around the player that will get them fired. A guy who claims he won’t tolerate mediocrity mortgages his team’s future to ride with a guy whose ceiling is basically that. I’m excited about the future.

Tepper isn’t gonna change, just refine his approach slightly. They think the problem is too many cooks. That’s it. It’s still about recovering the sunk costs. This is probably like the grieving process, Tepper still in denial.

I remember him mischaracterizing something to do with Wilks, out of ignorance. He hadn’t bothered to get the facts. Yeah he lost points with me. I can make up poo too: hey my source says what they are doing is getting a guy who'll promise to make Bryce Young into a winner by designing the Prius Offense that is gonna dominate the NFCS next year (Prius: limited range, small, boring to drive, hey .... )

Ignorance is bliss?

A lot of that stuff you are picking at him with is coordinator type stuff too, if you get good ones. And I need to refresh the circumstances: not his players, coaches, you know, he didn’t have a lot to say about much of anything except to subtract people. Which can be helpful but they weren’t replaced. A lot of people were moonlighting taking up the slack. Not an ideal situation. And for the hell of it, I bet we’d have won more than two this year with him, despite Tepper and Young. And maybe Brown, and Icky. And he is coordinating okay now I guess, but look at the talent. I loved him as the secondary coach, as far as actual coaching. I think he clearly demonstrated qualities that are lacking in the other guys that have had the job.

Yes. Which is why you shouldn’t limit head coach candidates to the best coordinators. It’s a different job. I hold Wilks as my example theoretical excellent head coach (I believe he could be), that I wasn’t a huge fan of as a coordinator.

>>>>And if one is inclined to believe reports that help their cause then you have to believe the reporting that after the combine teams had Young completely off their draft board.<<< Source? I’d like to read about that. It lines up with what I was seeing.

Not to pick on you, as plenty of people express this. This “League Wide” stuff implies every team in the league and it just wouldn’t be. On a practical level only a few teams are doing real evaluation on the top QBs. If they weren’t looking for a QB high they’d not really seriously evaluate the top ones, but still they’d probably at least give a cursory look. But then what? That’s it as far as their scenario goes. Somebody out there says Player A is QB1 and they don’t agree, what good does it do them to tell people? For one, if they really don’t like the player they want a competitor to buy in. Don’t do their jobs for them. Not gonna go down the list with substantive objections it has been done ad infinitum but betting against the category of player that he fits in physically, is historically what has been done. It is just lately in the long NFL timeline that this stuff has deviated with a couple of players. A lot of people disagree with it and so far there isn’t a ton of evidence that valuing these sorts of players that high is sound practice.

I see a little cat and mouse point guard deception where is the ball offense as his ceiling. I’d rather have more. Just show me the prototypical size and skill set, we can design an offense for athletic dummies it is a normal problem. No one takes on players like BY because it is such a difficult thing he is trying to do and there isn’t a program for that. I’m afraid he does just well enough to avoid being cut for another year. You know, because of what they invested (the dopes). Like, a tease. Just enough.... Maybe start out 0-4, but then we win a couple and next thing you know he is out for the year on some fluke. And enough people think he finally ‘got it’ and then just had some bad luck. That’s Panthers black cat enough for me, I can see it now. So what do they do then? Coach, QB, probably get a re-do. So now were are three years gone. My only hope is every coach they interview says they want their own QB, and it is a deal breaker. Which isn’t likely to happen with tens of millions at stake. Hell, if you make it far enough to head coach for Tepper, even if you get fired after the first game you are set for life. They’ll say yes until then.

It says something that I lost my ex Panther love for Dan Morgan via his involvement with this regime. I would have welcomed his help but no. Not anymore.

Hope you are right. But then his wife will be mad at him.