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Yeah there is a door that swings two ways here. The players know if a guy is worth the money or not and note who the sap organizations are.

And if there were a second he wouldn’t get in that either after what he did on the field.

You have to think about how often they want to roll Young out because he can’t see before valuing LOT like normal teams. We aren’t normal anymore.

Okay because Fitterer is gone, it was all his fault? I feel so much better knowing this reality. Anyhow, to the question. We passed on a home run in favor of what I think will be recognized as albatross for the ages, plus a few lesser opportunities passed over for dead weight. I don’t think F covers that.

If he goes, they are just gonna reinvest the (deflated) proceeds into the Bryce Young project. If there is any point in continuing.... Burns does have some talent. The truth though, is this right here: We can finish last without him, and that is probably where we would finish with him.

Here is what they will do: trade him on someone else’s terms, taking pennies on the dollar. Add that to what they paid for Young so far because that is where they will dump the returns. You are gonna have Moore, the top pick this year, the number 9 pick last year, two seconds, and the proceeds from Burns.

It is true about the opportunities, situational stuff. It's turning our strengths against us. That is a nice trick if you can do it.The only way to get the opponents off of that horse is to score points. We benefit most from having Burns when he is rushing the passer, his strength. That is it. And it follows that our goal needs to be to force that situation. Get him in a tee off scenario. It all comes back to impotency of the offense. You know, all those guys and coaches not named Bryce, need to step it up. [Man I get tired of the negatives all the time, but where are the positives? It’s like you have to make them up.]

That last pic, Young’s torso is longer and his legs look real short. He is just really small. I don’t know what Murray ends up being but I would have stayed away from him too. I’d rather live with missing out on a guy than be saddled with a wasted pick and all that goes with that, because I ignored the reality of history and track record of these kind of outliers. And my eyes. Also the first time we played Murray he was physically impressive in his performance. He was cat quick even if he wasn’t big, and you knew you had to be careful with that or you are burned. There is nothing there to see with Young.

The ship hasn’t sailed on at least getting something decent for Burns. Just have to be patient. If he refuses a long term deal near the tag value (not near 30 mil), with real incentives added in, you just have to tag him and start working towards the trade deadline. Someone with something to play for will pay something to put him in their ready to go defense. You only need two competitive teams where that kind of help could decide which one advances, and a trade deadline. Dan Morgan will be looking good about then.

Wilson’s arm is better than what we have. I try not to think about that. He still floats those rainbows up there for whoever can come down with it. One silver lining I guess, Canales knows what to look for in a jump ball WR.

You heard of never Trumpers? I am a never Wilson. Never. Keep him far away.

Maybe shorter 90% of all people. 99.9% of NFL quarterbacks. In the history of the NFL. I think there was a guy named Eddie LeBaron that admitted to being 5’7” - which is shorter than Young by maybe an inch, if the truth was admitted to. And that was in the ‘50s when an offensive guard could be probably 225# and had to sell insurance in the offseason.

20 mil when he wants 30? Do. It. Time for hardball. If I am Dan Morgan I ask him if he thinks Tepper cares about 20 million when there is a point to be made about his football team. He will know the answer. I tell him, pick a team. You want to go there, you play your ass off under the tag this year and we will tag and trade you next year to that team. And we will be easy to deal with. Your alternative is we tag you and if we feel like you are not giving us 110% at any time, you will sit for the year. There will be no trade. We will tag you again and you will sit for that entire season as well. It will truly be “a contract year”.

He’s been, and will continue to be, coddled here. At least a while longer. I am hoping the overcompensation doesn’t get out of hand with this draft. Got to be BPA or awful close. With Bryce, pre draft last year... It’s just that all the things added up. All the shortcomings (puns write themselves) amount to hurdles and how many do you want to have to overcome? They were adding up. I am thinking, at the time, why do you pay extra to deal with that? You don’t, is the right answer.

Not singling you out per se but it looks like a spot for the height thing. It isn’t the biggest deal to me, it wasn’t what I focused on. I never got much past my questions on athleticism and arm strength not being plusses, or strengths. Anyhow, he is tippy toeing according to people that did focus. I have never tried to throw tippy toed, but I am thinking it is not an advantage.

Agree about the arm and feet. It was just so tiresome a claim when it was so obviously not applicable. Edit to add: I hope they don't neglect the defense while throwing good “money” after bad over there in offense land. 1st and overall biggest resource dedicated to offense: brand new coaching staff. I know they’ll get more players according to what the coach wants. So looking at the draft as an inevitable over compensation offensively, who fits what Canales is looking for?

Cool thanks.

Going to One was unnecessary, in any event. And when you allow non professionals into the decision making mix you get confusion.

I see the most interesting angle as: how to put it - a Dan Morgan referendum. Who is he as a team builder? Is he going to separate himself from Fitterer and Tepper’s draft philosophies (well, Fitterer’s anyway, Tepper is just sees something shiny, wants it)? Are we going to see different types of players valued? Off topic... I am sorry but people that bought Young and Drew Brees did zero homework. I got so tired of seeing it that I looked at the actual size and weight of Brees and Young. Using Brees as the baseline or center point, take the difference between him and Young, go the other way with it.... you are into prototypical size QBs. That is how far Young is from Brees in the other direction. IOW give Bryce 25lbs and he gets to Brees. Give Brees the same and he gets to a beautiful prototypical size. It is a different strata.

BPA. We held Canales’s offense to 3 FG in a game that they needed, while we had nothing to play for. They had a better QB than Bryce.

I can easily picture Tepper making it clear through his tantrums that they were all just waiting for the axe to fall by the time Reich was out. If not weeks before. Brown was screwed from jump because that was too big a job for a first timer. I’d like to have been a fly on the wall after those first padded practices and the Jets scrimmages. It must have been like script writers realizing the producers hired actors who couldn’t pronounce half the words they needed to deliver the line. At the last run through.

Happy with Evero personally, though I wanted Wilks for HC. I think the season Wilks spent as DC here was the least impressive. He didn’t outright suck but it was different. Less it seemed. Loved him as DB coach and think he did the job as HC, mostly. I haven’t really followed SF’s season but don’t find it shocking that this happened.

You don’t do that if you were happy with him otherwise. Maybe they were done win or lose. Who knows? May have been some disagreement over the particular game or it could have been a disagreement about something regarding moving forward. I didn’t see any blatant reason why that loss goes on the defense. It was a team loss in most aspects, I’d say. So I mean, fired because of that game? If anything it was ‘the straw....’.

I only speed watched a condensed version. Just watching the game sort of out of duty. My takeaway was there were a couple of key fugups by a couple of players but overall I thought SF defense played well. There at the end Kelce started hurting them; they controlled him fairly well overall, to the point it looked like Purdy forgot about him. I’d have to go back and look for it to focus on his game in particular but Wilks could have been playing the don’t let Kelce beat you game. Until late. I guess I totally missed the stuff on the sidelines with Kelce fwiw. Haven’t even read an account of the game, maybe I am easier on them than a lot of people. They aren’t my team I am not much invested. They are probably sick over the many plays they could have made to earn a different outcome.

If they want Ickey at LT the best thing they can do is get the baddest ass edge guy to go against him in practice. The Peppers/Gross model was a good one.