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Teams go nuts to get the 3rd best out of a crap class. This is why I like retreads better, and try to promote the idea of taking a flier where you find it. Rattler was the one this year but there are guys quite often that don't cost as much t miss on and maybe you do hit. If you listen to Brady he is right. They have made the QB position more about athleticism and less about playing chess and manipulating defenses from the pocket because they don't have the QBs developed in college like the old days. I think teams might just need to go back to developing them themselves, more like it was when the pro style offenses were in the NFL and not in colleges.

I am with you on most of that. Icky looks like a G to me, can he even pull though? He doesn't seem to be able to really handle the speed guys on the edge. But as much as I love OL and feel like it is essential to have that rock solid, that was lot of money for Guards. When Zavala who was one of worst rookies I remember, can fill in and there is no disaster I feel like there was a compromise between his level and what we got. Could we maybe get two 50 million dollar guards and buy some defense?

Yeah that is bad. Looks like we bought a 5th round draft pick with our cap space, that's about it. I do like completely's idea of a send him to Siberia type of deal.

They could be massively improved, but there is no way to fix that defense in one year, so 'good' I am not so sure about. But yeah they could be much better with competent QB play on offense. I see too many holes still on offense and it worries me for the defense because you can see where the priorities lie.

Bro my point stands. Tepper can meddle any time he wants. He does not need a meeting. That is my point. Along with the hope he has chilled.

We don't know they are paying Chuba. We do know that there is a need for RB because we aren't a passing team, or we are diminished now in that regard. And we have not seen Brooks. Maybe they are trading Sanders instead. I would be. At least trying to trade him.

As was mentioned, the CBA since 2011 encourages this type of gamble, the reduced rookie pay.

That seems like the way these things go for us. But I would bet they knew Diggs was down and other stuff. Knowing nothing really about how long this deal was in the works, but people knew that if they waited we probably would cut him loose and it was for free then. We have seen the damaged goods and everybody knows it before and it does normally go badly for the seller. Morgan made some decent bargains in his draft trading, I am going 'benefit the doubt' this one and say he likely did try to get more elsewhere and that was it.

We did one for Chicago, so we needed one for ourselves I guess.

But here is the thing about these meetings that isn't being acknowledged: the guy doesn't need weekly meetings to meddle. If he wants to meddle, he simply sends for the coach and meddles. Or goes and finds the coach and meddles. Easy. So really, probably don't need to sweat the meetings themselves. Which could potentially be productive, actually. There is context which is Tepper, at the time Reich speaks, is uneducated by the events of the months that have followed, and may now understand that obsessing over not winning and why his prize little soldier was so impotent, was probably brought on by grief and he was in the denial stage. People do learn, sometimes. I just hope he has. I haven't seen but a hint or two of meddling - with the late game Bryce appearances, and I suppose that may not even be a direct result of meddling.

Yeah that is a good point he makes, I mean we probably took the best offer we could get. It makes me afraid they are bringing Young back. I want to leave with him.

Yes he does. He will need football instincts to make up some for that, and I don't see that either. Yet. Like people say, he is likely thinking too much and that blocks instinctual response.

That is what it smells like. I expect Morgan to try and save face on getting value with whoever is next.

And they couldn't work Bryce into a deal, as long as we are giving stuff away?

Without the Tepper factor, we would be a good spot for that. Yeah that 2023 draft, no one thought Levis or AR were up there with Stroud. It was clear who the possible guy was in that class.

I think people knew they wanted him gone and that is how it goes with disgruntled players when everybody knows it. Situation sucks. That pick swap compensation really sucks.

Entitled and immature, apparently.

That’s a very good point. Not like it used to be, with rookies signing the biggest deals of all time type of scenarios.

I think maybe yes. But they disappoint me weekly. I feel about wanting to see what we have there, about the same as I felt waiting to see what the offense would look like with Bryce. With a lot more hope for Brooks. He should be a big piece …. I saw one player comment that was really impressed with him. I forget who it was, it was last week.

He might not have gone there if he didn’t know Payton. This isn’t any kind of big deal afaic. Payton is an ass, Horn took the bait, okay. It is over. He did it because he is an ass, and isn’t scared of them turning it around on him. Poking them. And I’m sure they will use that to motivate themselves because disrespect should motivate them.

We see the insidious doings that lead to 2025 Bryce Young on the Panthers roster and reliving the nightmare yet another year, making it three years wasted on huge mistake. It is sort of like watching a toddler reaching its hand into a flame, after not learning the first time that it will burn you. You know what is about to happen. But it has to find out for itself. Problem is, I get burned too in this case. Not just the toddler.

Yeah I am usually reasonable on hearing different perspectives. I have had enough of Young and his impacting the Panthers. Just make it stop. But I don’t really object to the meetings (I am not sure I’d personally require a weekly appointment, just open lines where I can have a question answered or something explained). At the same time, I am not a Tepper fan in any way. I don’t even remember when that turned, it was so long ago now. Of course I was thinking originally, cool - billionaire owner, money will flow. Then I got more of a taste of it. I wish he had bought a different team. I hate what he has done to mine.

There are some things you can’t discuss rationally. Like don’t don’t discuss Bryce with me in terms of his future being here as Panthers QB. I won’t hear it. With others it is the meeting. The thought that an owner might want to know what is happening and how it’s going. Because the suggestion or an inflection in a statement transforms it into instructions from the boss. And that is meddling. More or less. I have two minds on it. The first is that if I own a company I ask whoever I want whatever I want. In the interest of being informed. The second is, the owner needs to stay the hell out of telling the coach to switch to the 3/4 or what QB to take and who to start and who to draft and all that.

You quoted me but I am not really sure why this thought relates to what I was saying - but I do get that that is the reality of fielding a team on Sunday.

Easy, the difference is Reich, after he was hired. Canales, before he ever interviewed. Which is why I felt Canales would at least know what he was getting into. There is no way an NFL coach can look at Young and see what the media and the fans and the Tepper’s saw. Just no way, so Canales absolutely knew. What might be fun is to dump Bryce and then do a coaching search with that high pick, just to assess why no one wanted the job. Would you want to take a job that requires you to build your offense around Bryce Young? Hell no.