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I think it started with me and I don’t think I said Morgan was elite, and yeah it a weird tangent to be on. I am pretty sure Morgan was better at football than Fitterer.

Luke is way up there for me. I must have edited or bumped off where I said Luke was all time elite and even a couple of ticks down from that is still a very high level. It was something like that. Haven’t thought about Morgan as a player for a long timeIt is coming back to me a little. Number one, he was a fierce competitor. IMO Morgan is a for sure hall of very good if he had had health and some longevity. He had that level of game. He wasn’t Luke but go find another. Luke reminds me of Greg Maddux, football version. Not the most physically gifted but more than made up for whatever the perceived shortcomings with knowledge and cunning. I saw that Dallas Thanksgiving game in 2015 recently. [grin] If anybody wants a pick me up, you don’t have to wait long for the good part.

WhoKnows, Morgan was like the 11th pick or something. From what I remember which I am getting old, but injuries were what kept him from being elite. And he had a healthy career in school from what I think I remember. His Super Bowl speaks for itself. He was a leader on one of the SB teams. He was pretty good. To people stuck on the Burns thing, I tried to explain this as it was happening but it got lost in a deluge of reactions. The success of the plan depended on those two guards. Quality guards. In a very time sensitive situation haggling over the price meant losing time and probably missing their first step in the plan. They absolutely HAD to have the cap space that day. Their thoughts were, I am sure, that the lost value in Burns would reappear in the form of success elsewhere if their plan works. They had to do it and hope they were right or go to plan B. I don’t begrudge them their Plan A.

He’s fast. As long as he can tackle I get it. Put him in the right place, if they ignore or miss him he is home before you know it.

Slept on it. It is receiving oriented but... A Sproles or even better, a CMC type. Kamara was a 3rd rounder I think and he was killing people early in his career, and a lot of pass catching and turning upfield. I look at where things are offensively right now - with the under 2.7 sec play design and goodn (smart) OL working together maybe you don’t have to worry quite as much about a rookie RB doing his blitz pickups. The fact is this team is going to have to have skill studs everywhere and that would be a great place to have one. If someone exceptional at that is there I’d probably be in.

Yeah day 1 in FA is normally 'also ran' territory. I will say though that in the cases of reuniting players with the coaches they had success with are more likely to be exceptions.

Want to caution against buying into names. We only have to go back a single year to remember the things said all over this place at the time. It is morphing into that more with every signing. I do like to think that Morgan knows a lot more about what a dawg in the NFL is than Fitterer. And I think with some of the departures that was uppermost in his mind. The moves that we really don’t see a clear reason for, I am leaning towards that being a larger factor. But I have no strong feeling really, yet. I think the procedure of vet acquisition they are following is pretty much similar with the coaches getting players they want. We had a good bit of that last year. I don’t know if I much like the plan at center. Here is the part that people don’t want to hear. We are not starting a rookie QB anymore, the 'best chance to win’ standard should be back in play. I want QB competition, so that when they take the field they know they are going out there without one hand tied behind their backs. Which is what last year was.

I definitely hear you but what were they supposed to do? I don’t mean in 2022 or even 2023, but the situation as it stood for the latest round of team building. Did you want him to be given somewhere around 12 percent of the total budget, at his current level of effectiveness? And I absolutely understand the lack of sack opportunities that are reflected in that production but how was that really going to change enough to make 30 million a good idea? I think it was literally at a point of no return.

A rookie WR. They showed with Mingo the concept that inexperience is supposed to mentor inexperience. Interesting. If you can find a player that fits exactly what the WR room is lacking then okay. Yes. An excellent role player would be good. With this QB a downfield jump ball guy. Time it out with where the hell they can get to in 2.7 secs and then add flight time for the ball and that is your range. It will almost all be inside 25 yards of the LOS. Find a jump ball guy that can handle that and inside of that. I am sure I’m off but there has to be a way to quantify what kind of WR can do those things. We do not have much striking range.

Yeah just bend over and move on. Need him. Need to keep him.

I hope Evero doesn’t build a great D on one year deals.

I guess it’s a bold prediction. Ask me after the draft. I think YGM was doing better, maybe ready to contribute more. Burns was good let’s don’t lie. Not complaining that he wasn’t paid $30mil here. They are gonna miss Luvu. I know they kept games from being out of reach or embarrassing at times. There was a lot of effort out of most of those guys. I tend to think the staff can do the same thing with a new cast if they get them some players. There will be downgrades and upgrades and different positions will reflect that. It is ask me after the draft. I want a defensive playmaker drafted.

I don’t get that off him. I get he is doing the best he can, and trying the same things that worked for him against college players and that is what you get.

Oh, Wonnum. 1st play of the 2nd quarter vs Minnesota. Dropped a pick six from deep in their end,

What did the guy say wrong? That Bryce Young was a big part of it? Okay first, I feel there are arguable opinions and non arguable ones on this player. Those would be the extremes: "It was all Bryce Young’s fault" is not an arguable opinion. "It was everybody’s fault but his", is not one either. I lean to him being a major issue as opposed to a minor one, because of his position and the fact that this offense will be designed around him. That offense wouldl be much different if he weren’t here. Same goes for last year. Going back in time to that 2023 season in question (the one Bryce non believers could not possibly have watched): The word was Reich got on that 'you’re fired!' path because he didn’t think Young was ready and wanted him to sit. We heard about that. We saw a phantom ankle roll, an inactive, and Dalton in the game right around the time in question. But that doesn’t fit the 'it wasn’t Bryce’ narrative. IMO Bryce Young was the Headwaters of dysfunction river. By default. Everything in the scope of this topic that happened last year, was centered around him. Because of him. For him. All that. The crap offense design was attempted to highlight his strengths and hide his weaknesses. That is a very hard job as you will possibly see again this year. These new guys have the great advantage of knowing exactly what he is capable of which I think was a major disconnect last year. They also will not have to deal with Tepper thinking his QB walks on water and it couldn’t be his fault. Some of y’all I am not as sure about. But in general a much better situation to encounter adversity in, than last year. Probably giving Tepper way too much credit here. Without getting into a total point by point dissertation I will definitely acknowledge and agree that the guard play last year was a major issue. The worst I have ever seen in the NFL, game in game out. That I can remember.. And Bozeman did not handle it well. At all. But we should not make note of that without also noting that there WAS difficulty pass blocking for Young to the point that the OL coach was complaining ‘up’ about it to someone. But I guess no, there wasn’t any confusion because that would mean Bryce may have been less than what people say. It seems like the version I remember was Campen ended up going over someone’s head. Funny thing is he probably initially complained to Reich, while at the same time Tepper was hammering Reich about fixing Young’s footwork. In season. Hard place to be. To that, you can also say Young was justified in being unreliable to be where they thought they were supposed to protect, because he was getting hit too much. At some point it can be chicken or egg, each component was rubbing against the other, and neither was good. Say what you want about the WRs, and I will not claim them to be NFL average or better but still, there were many times when he did not put the ball in a good place for them. Behind them a lot of times. He missed seeing them open. Plenty of times. Yeah, I can hear you now, that will be the OL because he was so rattled all the time. I won’t claim it wasn’t a factor obviousdy it would be but I felt like this: He was not playing the NFL open game he was playing the college open game. IMO. It is absolutely why he ate the football on some of his sacks. I don’t know what the number is but I feel pretty safe saying that. And it goes to the idea that he did have a larger amount of ownership in the piss poor offense than his lobbyists concede. At some point I think you have to go back to 'you are what your record says you are' and leave it at that.

I’d have to see who we would be passing on to trade out. A future 1 would still have to include something decent this season, because unless it is a real bad team, the pick won’t be that far from 33. Doing it for a 2025 #25 for example, not that good for us.

I say let Evero and lol I had to look him up, Todd Wash is the D line coach. Let them talk to him and see how they feel about it. Meant to add: If they are happy with what he tells them, I’d roll the dice on him. Only then of course

BTW I don’t think I have ever seen such horrible Guard play as there was on the field last year. At the same time, the QB’s skills and timing were totally non existent. Slovenly drop back pace, unlike any other QB really ever seen. No wonder Reich blew a circuit board out trying to work around that. Or Brown rather. What a poo plan. But I digress. If you were going to rush the passer vs the Panthers you could literally stand around and see who the OL went to engage with, and then go chase the QB you will have a free run. Not even a stunt. Just delay a little and let them get busy. If you do a stunt you are IN. They apparently think everyone has to run straight ahead no tricks. It’s easy.

That is why they call it artificial intelligence. Like that would ever happen IRL. But I imagine some of you are fapping now.

When I in Boston the females used to send me a drink to come say hello, for the accent. Regularly. When I lived north of Seattle they thought I was stupid because of it.

What would excite me? A refund on Bryce Young. Tepper busted for insider poo forced to sell the team. Both would be Super.

poo everyone was crowing same time last year.

I feel like Tepper is a carpetbagger. I haven’t looked that up in a long time, and the way definitions ‘evolve’ nowadays I don’t know what they might say in a dictionary. But to me, he is a carpet bagger. Like, a post war profiteer coming in and enriching himself off the locals. I don’t feel a shred of loyalty to him. It worked with JR because from the start it felt like he was doing it as much for us as for himself. To me. If you remember the NFL no man’s land that the Carolinas were before the Panthers, you are probably going to be closer to my perspective than if they were always there. I don’t HAVE to follow them though. I wholeheartedly and strongly disagree with his plans and moves for the football side of it and his actions in general, and he is on real fuging thin ice with me.

I might name you King of the Bryvc Stans Underhill.

Sounds about right. If he wanted to go though maybe he won’t have a horrible attitude.