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That's the thing. Not Howell for me, but I think there are people out there without the hype machine behind them that would be an upgrade.

I think innovative started here. Never heard that one. It was young, QB guy who comes from Pete Carrol and did WR coaching before QBs. Had success with Seattle’s WRs with Wilson throwing, I think, and moved to working with QBs. I think the attraction was that more than any scheme he might use.

Fell asleep watching that one yeah that has a little something for everybody. I thought it was good and it was fair.

Not having much idea what tweaks to the plan will be made for the height issue... I think ‘okay the LOT vs the edge, most of the time they try to just drive (or direct) them deep. Past the QB'. Now there are these guards and the pocket is supposed to be there to step into. Okay, how the hell is this kid going to be stepping up close to those blockers and see where he is throwing it? And if he steps back extra, that defeats the LOT guiding his rusher deep/out of the play. It might be in to the play because of that. And might also make under center snaps out of whack, I mean if Young has to drop back extra. The timing. All kinds of questions. If I go with the thinking that says it is Canales’ Tampa O, no I do not have much faith in that working out with Young running it. edit: so I think they have to tweak it and I have a hard time picturing it. How it will look.

Penny is pretty good too.

frank wrote: Has the definition of the term "big time throw" changed somewhat recently or? ----- I watched every throw in season and rewatched a few games. He did make some nice throws here and there. Bryce Young style. Not a lot of zip. But so many of his passes were late, behind guys, and I saw a little of that in those highlights.

Did you watch it? I saw stuff that was behind guys and stuff like that I thought it looked pretty average for NFL QBs but I am no PFF metric dog.

We’ll see how Rattler does, he was my pick for some competition.

Well we are in agreement overall on that decision just looking at the fallout differently. I am not a personal fan of Williams from a few quotes I’ve run across but we weren’t taking him so I ignored him as a prospect. I never look at QBs unless we are looking. But if things align a certain way this turns historically bad. The kind of thing children will read about when they grow up.

BTW that article also said there have been 13 times that trade has been made but quite a few were not for QBs. Teams didn’t used to be so hard headed and intentionally blind and if there were no worthy QBs, often they would take the best position player. Seems like that has gone away.

Crippled maybe not, we won’t be running a bunch of sprints either. Just going with Darnold or whatever, DJ Moore, the 9th overall, the 2nd rounders, this year’s 1. if you hit half of those picks ... it’s a pretty devastating outcome. When you look at CJ if he has that same arc again, and Williams, what if he is OROY or something? It is historic. Hard to swallow.

Oh crap forget the stuff below, I missed that is from ’23. I looked again after I posted and saw Mac Jones at 20? He is right there at 28 And that’s pretty damned funny. Send Bryce a link.

And if you agree that teams would not trade a universally generational type, like Manning, then it should be a really small sample size because making a huge trade knowing that is not real sound thinking.

Has any QB taken with the Number 1, acquired by trade, ever killed it? I think the people that are considered generational will never be acquired that way, a team won’t trade. (which makes trading into it more suspect) Okay I looked because I could not remember a QB taken number one where the pick was traded to their team, ever having the career that was envisioned. I thought Vick was the #2 but n o he was the 1st pick. I didn’t look at the price but if he hadn’t fought those dogs he would have been one. Coincidentally, Steve Bartkowski in 1775 and also an Atlanta selection, is the other. I don’t think Goff was a real satisfying selection either but we are talking multiple draft picks and the 1st overall selection is expected be special going into the proposition. What I remember of Bartkowski is he was that really good QB stuck on a crappy team. I think he wopuld be my choice of the three fwiw, to be worth the investment. Maybe not, it was a long time ago. Memory. Since 1967 https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35429888/nfl-draft-no-1-pick-trade-history-1967-every-top-selection-changed-teams A footnote: Chicago has an opportunity to nail it with a Number 1 acquired by trade, this year. dammit. We’ll see how that goes.

Okay, just assume for this he does not get better than mediocre. To win with that you will have to assemble plenty of really good talent around the player. Which, efforts were huge to make that a reality. Take the mediocre QB out and put in an above average QB it’s a new game. That’s the thought process behind not wanting a mediocre QB. I don’t understand why that is bad.

yep. This was a bad idea from the start. If the guy at the top is can’t miss, you aren’t able to get to the 1st pick in the first place. So it was a wing and a prayer type of move.

It is nothing to do with him personally Navy. I admire his work ethic and attitude as I understand it to be. I just wouldn’t have put a nickel on him being worth the cost or deserving of being top selection. edit for last horseshit: I have given him credit for things he did well. I have eyes. They say good freaking luck with this player. Then people like you that give me poo for my opinions have not even one time that I remember acknowledged things I pointed out from the jump. I am guessing because they must be too fan boi to even look for the flaws.

The minute his name was called was the lowest point I think I have had around a draft.

If that were a sure thing I’d feel a lot better. That is win either way, if he is good. It kind of boils down to hope, maybe a little encouragement versus Belief. Solid feeling, with strong evidence. My biggest Panthers fear is him not being really good but them just hoping he can progress in another year so they are gonna rinse and repeat. Which is what is most real right now.

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I finally watched that. Most of it. People are gonna hate me but they probably do already so F it. Only the Bryce, I’m not looking at Stroud. Some of those throws are very good, there are some you might call big time but there is a generous helping of things maybe not that big time. First impression: I think they had to include some pretty average stuff to have enough to make a clip.

Yeah I hear you. I am hoping we have some things going better with the football side. What they talked about re meshing the scouts and coaches to get lined up with each other, I felt like maybe they know a thing or two.

I admit it. Done it a few times but he had something in that video that I'll confess to. First, never wanted him in the draft, and was very strongly against selecting him. 100% against. I don’t really see anything that tells me I am off base yet. So I expect him to maybe look better but even so, here is the point: Donnelly asks if people that want him to fail? He has to kill it this year to get me off of that train. I feel like him being average or game manager and like, the 23rd best QB if he improves.... I don’t want that again in ’25 and ’26. If our QB is gonna be mediocre, may as well take another shot at better.

That Pro Day and watching his footwork did him in for me. Just no way #1 in the draft worthy. We had invested so much in that trade to spend it on that? I came into it not having watched him live in college. Don’t watch much of it. So maybe I wasn’t influenced by his college accomplishments so much? He just looked like a real hard way to go. I can’t say I knew, but I strongly felt that we were going to see something not so great. We’ll see what that lipstick we've been applying to the offense can do. He should look better. If Young doesn’t look 180 degrees turned around, and depending on Williams’ season... the potential for all time level idiocy, futility, all that stuff... is high.

I don’t know these people, but wouldn’t they be down the pecking order of deciding the pick? Hoping maybe it doesn’t mean a whole lot.