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I think maybe yes. But they disappoint me weekly. I feel about wanting to see what we have there, about the same as I felt waiting to see what the offense would look like with Bryce. With a lot more hope for Brooks. He should be a big piece …. I saw one player comment that was really impressed with him. I forget who it was, it was last week.

He might not have gone there if he didn’t know Payton. This isn’t any kind of big deal afaic. Payton is an ass, Horn took the bait, okay. It is over. He did it because he is an ass, and isn’t scared of them turning it around on him. Poking them. And I’m sure they will use that to motivate themselves because disrespect should motivate them.

We see the insidious doings that lead to 2025 Bryce Young on the Panthers roster and reliving the nightmare yet another year, making it three years wasted on huge mistake. It is sort of like watching a toddler reaching its hand into a flame, after not learning the first time that it will burn you. You know what is about to happen. But it has to find out for itself. Problem is, I get burned too in this case. Not just the toddler.

Yeah I am usually reasonable on hearing different perspectives. I have had enough of Young and his impacting the Panthers. Just make it stop. But I don’t really object to the meetings (I am not sure I’d personally require a weekly appointment, just open lines where I can have a question answered or something explained). At the same time, I am not a Tepper fan in any way. I don’t even remember when that turned, it was so long ago now. Of course I was thinking originally, cool - billionaire owner, money will flow. Then I got more of a taste of it. I wish he had bought a different team. I hate what he has done to mine.

There are some things you can’t discuss rationally. Like don’t don’t discuss Bryce with me in terms of his future being here as Panthers QB. I won’t hear it. With others it is the meeting. The thought that an owner might want to know what is happening and how it’s going. Because the suggestion or an inflection in a statement transforms it into instructions from the boss. And that is meddling. More or less. I have two minds on it. The first is that if I own a company I ask whoever I want whatever I want. In the interest of being informed. The second is, the owner needs to stay the hell out of telling the coach to switch to the 3/4 or what QB to take and who to start and who to draft and all that.

You quoted me but I am not really sure why this thought relates to what I was saying - but I do get that that is the reality of fielding a team on Sunday.

Easy, the difference is Reich, after he was hired. Canales, before he ever interviewed. Which is why I felt Canales would at least know what he was getting into. There is no way an NFL coach can look at Young and see what the media and the fans and the Tepper’s saw. Just no way, so Canales absolutely knew. What might be fun is to dump Bryce and then do a coaching search with that high pick, just to assess why no one wanted the job. Would you want to take a job that requires you to build your offense around Bryce Young? Hell no.

I wasn’t one of the ‘we have to have an offensive master mind play caller’ people to start with. Reich was okay with me but I really only knew a little about him as a coach. Didn’t follow Indy. Knew people considered Irsay a loose cannon. I don’t know that any of it mattered once the stuff started here. And I don’t know who went behind who’s back once they were here. None of it matters that much to me in any analytical sense, scene of the crime type of view. All of whatever it could have been or not have been was over when they took Bryce Young. I don’t blame anyone much for anything after that little bit of undermining the prospects of the team for the next 5 years. And even though Reich was out of here soon enough and we are still eating the same crappy meal and it isn’t a mystery as to why.

Money is money. Reich wasn’t broke when he took the gig. I doubt he was. At a point, money stops being what mattered. Someone fuging you over and changing the rules in the middle of the game, tends to obscure the reason you want to be there. At some point your only hope of relief is to force them to fire you. I don’t know what happened but have the big guess that number one they forced Bryce on him and took all the fun out of it right there. Then forced him to keep playing him when he needed to not be on the field. I’d be wanting out too.

If this isn't bottom I don't want to see it. We need to get Bryce off the field and off the team and stop chasing a bad investment and get to the business of digging out of this hole.

Him playing good is a relative thing. Why are people thinking because he was better than the bottom of the barrel job performance we have seen the first two weeks, that that means he s good? Who is he better than? He will struggle to crack a top 25 QBs list even if you started him another 19 starts. . That's good enough? Why? Because we spent so much? I don't mean to attack You. It is that everyone seems to be changing their tune all of a sudden and your post is a great example.

Reich got steamrolled. Tepper shoved a totally overwhelmed project into his lap and said make it work by September. Impossible. I am not unhappy with Canales like so many people are, but considering the anger I believe even more that we should have kept Wilks as HC as a bridge. Couple of years to instill some discipline and toughness back into the team, discreetly find their ideal HC to marry to a new QB, he'd probably have gone for that.

1st quarter of this year. It is all there in a condensed time frame, the stuff Canales or whoever had him working on was there on his first drop back, maybe 12 snaps later when the 1st quarter runs into the 2nd quarter forget about it. I don't remember how many plays we ran in that 1st quarter, but they weren't all pass plays so it really happened over the course of just a few plays. Complete unraveling.

That's all we have. He hasn't added a single player to it, I don't think.

That writer was though. It is going to get shitty again.

I know. I understand. I just see no suddenness out of him. And I really haven't seen him lay wood to anybody, not that he hasn't but I have not seen it. He needs an offseason and then let's revisit. wait, I do remember seeing him stonewall a little like, mini pile, Sunday and I did like that. He has some strength.

Well, maybe I ought to look. I heard people say he was setting him up to fail because he didn’t like him. So I ain’t really going to be receptive to that sort of take. I guess I just don’t care much for these radio guys any more. Unless they have some kind of inside info I am pretty sure I can figure out what is going on without their help

I have been closely watching him since Shaq and Jewell went down. We agree.

The sad part is after they trashed Stroud on the S2 score, I didn’t know anything really but said okay fine, whatever. Take AR take Levis, that’s how bad I did not want Young. Those guys were huge gambles but I didn’t see Young as a gamble at all, I saw him as a sure failure. So it truly was anybody but… and it looks like that would have failed too. I just really did not want them to trade up like that in the first place. Stroud looked really good but it IS still not a sure thing, you don’t know even with the ones that look good, until they get in the fire.

Did you observe Thielen and Johnson both the last game Bryce was on the field with them at the same time? They wanted him gone but go ahead and keep riding your Bryceness.

I listened to some of that garbage. Not much, because I judged it as such. It supposedly came from another jock. DJ whatever they call radio people nowadays. Saying that is why Young is not doing well really ought to play perfectly for a few people around here but it is total horse sh t imo, as far as being some real scenario. That is crazy talk really. Might get him on a show with Riddick and Rex Ryan though, plays right into their viewpoints.

I am sort of gratified to see Christensen grade so poorly because I have not been impressed like others say they are. And Wallace, I liked the pick but I have lost faith that he will be anything. Slow, non instinctive, and that fumble he “caused”, he was standing there and the guy had his arms extended and rammed the ball into Wallace’s shin and it came out. Look what I found. And he wasn’t saddled with the green dot Sunday so I was watching for him a lot to see if he was any better without worrying with it. Not that I noticed.

I don’t mind Horn bristling over it or Franklin. They need to get mad. Far as running up scores, tables turn. You have to be able to take it like you serve it. It is on the Panthers to make that happen. To serve it.

It looked just like they plain didn’t want to push the little fellow too hard with the competition. If that isn’t it, it is a great cover story for whatever they were doing.

If this is where people get their stuff from for here I get it.