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Wondering about this ‘movement’. I do wonder if there are any people pushing that, who were loudly proclaiming that Stroud would have been no better than Bryce with this roster. And I’m not sold on an aging QB that really has never won with some elite talent and thinking he can raise ours up. I don’t have an initial good reaction to that. Not saying it couldn’t work, but I don’t see it as the easy fix some think it could be

I’m not sure we thought that about Fitterer by then. I am not sure anyone thought he had proven himself. He had a lot of critics. I was on the fence because what he actually did was still sort of a mystery to me. Even though I was 1000% against trading up, I did think that, Fitterer aside, we had very qualified advisors in Caldwell, Reich, McCown, just a lot of people with good QB experience and knowledge of the NFL. I think every one of them was overruled. (Hmm, OverRhuled. Wish I’d have used that when it was relevant).

You can’t say DiCaprio isn’t a household name.

I mean yeah, I remember massive push for Young and caution to the wind attitudes about spending all that capital on a huge outlier, at a position with about a 50% bust rate (for non outliers). It was very frustrating to see that stuff daily and to see that so many people were actually excited and standing in line to throw it all away.

It is almost Thursday August 14th.

Main thing is offense and naturally the whole thing includes a new staff and new playbook and how that goes. Will Brooks add a dimension to the offense when he gets out there? etc etc What will Legette look like? Sure. I have a feeling we’ll be rebuilding the defensive staff and Evero will probably take some players too. So I am hardly going to treat it real seriously. I expect to enjoy them and be pleasantly surprised. I would also like to see players develop.

Yeah people are acting as if we are a normal team with normal team questions. I just don’t think the regular concerns need apply. Because this isn’t really going to be a competitive NFL team this year, most of the time. I don’t have any ambition past evaluate the QB over 17 games, and work the offense the first few weeks and see what it gives you. Defense is going to be okay this year, the head coach needs to get his routine straight and we need to see where the QB stands. Other stuff, sure, but it’s that QB that is the priority and most of us know it.

i love you frank but the starters do not get a say.

Got a feeling with the Jets scrimmage we may not see what we want on Saturday, though we might. And suit the starters up and play them a dress rehearsal the 3rd game.

I think that is next year and whether or not they really try to challenge him with the selection will depend on his play this season.

I think we need to see the offense. And Brooks being behind schedule sucks. But he will get on the field and we’ll see what shape it takes. Every offensive move had an aspect of propping up the QB. I think. My personal interpretation of why they wanted Brooks is basically that they want to prop Bryce up with the running game but they really wanted also, a skilled receiver at the position. That’s what I thought the urgency was re Brooks. And why they didn’t do the later RB thing. Which that’s my thing too. Actually most of my arguments regarding general football operations attempt to understand why, filtered as 'what was the thinking' as opposed to what I would do. Sometimes it agrees. Some of the poo, I would definitely not do that way.

Yeah, but to be real, they could have a perfectly traditional approach to preseason and with a new offense, new staff, where everyone almost has been promoted to a new higher level, 0-4 is just 0-4 and who would be surprised at it? I mean however they practiced.

I am getting old man’s memory I guess., I watched that game during the 2023 season. Not long ago. Forgot all about that. But I do remember the media talking up Romo’s return and the Cowboys being a super tough matchup and I don’t think we were favored, despite that it was almost December and we had zero losses. but it was hot knife through butter time

You really only benefit if you hide something good though. Because if you suck the cat will be out of the bag game 1. I don’t see the point of hiding a shitty team. I wouldn’t hold them out with that motivating it. At the same time, players get better by playing (in games) in a way they do not get from practicing,.

I sort of agree. Things are different with the 3 game preseason and people have just been slightly adjusting it, not taking a totally rethought approach. It seems like they are doing it out of habit more than logic. Putting the least experienced out there asap makes sense, at least on one hand. Getting started with that in week 1 might not be dumb. Because we have a new staff, and the QB didn’t have enough help and now he has help, I just wanted to see it. Been waiting a long time. I was frustrated by that and a predictable performance by mostly scrubs, but am not really arguing agaionst it after thinking about a little.. Man, it makes for a really horrible game watching experience. Not that any preseason is much good.

That Luke pick on the Thanksgiving Dallas game in ’15? Stands out to me. I have a lot of images of Cam playing in my head but no specific stuff, just him looking like a stud running or throwing. Leaping over the line, slowly getting going with that long stride but once he hit it, a load.

Number one it was my bad because I must have overlooked the backup stipulation. I wouldn’t have argued that at all. Top 10 backup? Yeah I agree. And I am not lobbying hard for QB 3 because I agree more or less with what you I am responding to. I don’t don’t feel like typing a ton of stuff arguing, normally because it gets to be a two way back and forth in a thread for one, and that usually ruins them. edit: but there is nothing wrong with wanting players to earn their jobs through legitimate competition. Obviously we aren’t getting that with Bryce... not even the illusion of it.

And to the pull Bryce if he sucks suggestions... (if that ios the outcome) please do not until we are assured of a great draft position. He can pay us back a little bit that way.

Obvious but overlooked? To the Sewer for Ewers

And I gotta say, someone linked to Jets week last year and Joe Person’s take? That was interesting.

Dalton borderline top 10? Might be stretching things a little. I don’t think he was in consideration to be anything other than a bridge QB before he joined the Panthers. Is that wrong? Sorry to be disagreeable, but unless something has changed - one the first things out of his mouth was 'I am here to back up Bryce’ or other words, but expressing the same idea. Clearly he was brought in to be that and took the gig under those parameters. That was last year, is it different now? If I bet, I would bet on Canales having a condition or two placed on his employment regarding Bryce. Ride with 9, no QB controversy. Job is to grow him into a legit starter. I don’t know anything obviously, but that’s my guess. I wanted competition because I don’t believe it would have been hard to beat Bryce out*, and I wanted better. That was the low hanging stuff. I have refined that into he needs at least some kind of threat to his job, pushing him. Or an illusion of it, just to make him better. edit* now that I think about it a bit more my big deal was I wanted him to at least show he could beat someone out and not be just handed the job.

I think you are arguing something I am not. Or I attempted to say something but failed. Both probably. I was basically guided by the idea that our entire personnel acquisition philosophy was slanted heavily to the needs of the specific QB. Wondered if building the line in the Brees approved fashion was the option we would have chosen in a normal situation. It is all seen through a small QB filter. I mean, most people rationalized that we’d benefit from the guards with whatever QB, so did I. And it should be true. Given the objections to the C plan, I was looking at what they might have done differently, or wondering if a less specialized approach (without the small QB factor) might have gotten us straight at the 3 interior OL spots.

Tepper, 7 years of mostly incredible incompetence. I mean, even the PJ to DJ that was so great, did the black cat.

Dalton is for sure ginger. Young is apparently the strawberry.

And it was Still so much better than what followed.