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I remember a debate over what a certain pass route was called, if it existed, went for days. edit: and Colin had some of the best insults. Rickles worthy sometimes. You could hate that he argued over almost everything and talked down to people but had to admire the creativity in those insults.

Yeah that is what influences me to wish boom or bust. No middle, slightly hopeful ground that prolongs a resolution. Fish or cut bait as they say.

I was on it. Some people here I recognize from there. Mr Scot I am pretty sure for one,.

I have a couple of boats. Haven’t used them in nearly 5 years because I had some heavy family responsibilities with a parent. Going to hopefully get one of the boats ready for winter trout fishing. Hit me up if you are down in a few months we’ll go.

Y’all don’t think 17 games will be enough to evaluate Young? Not enough chance for him to establish his viability? Or maybe you fear that losing those first two games is what causes us to miss the playoffs? I don’t have those worries.

Thanks. They are nice people, I have met them. I see they do a great business which normally means they make the food right, but haven’t been there to eat. I catch my own in that inlet and it spoils you. I haven’t been to Mrs Lee’s in 7 or 8 years.

Well, I am not saying it was good. I remember the 2001 season too. You can call it recency bias, whatever, I am far more dissatisfied now than I was then. Which probably has to do with the: there was hope given immediately. We went 7-9 with Rodney Peete in 2002. Have we even sniffed 7-9 with Tepper? Yeah, the first year that he stayed totally out of the football side, 7-9. Once once with Wilks, 7-10, who was shown the door lol. You know the win totals from the other Tepper years, I know, but here they are: 2019, 2020, 2021, 5 each season. 2 last year. It has been horrible and last year was the lowest. Tepper’s 2001. You think we are going 7-9 type level this year? Maybe we could. But there is a tiny percentage of people who would believe it. It’s is pretty sad when we are down to arguing what was worse.

We are probably better off getting young guys the experience, isn’t that what teams that have little chance of winning this year should be doing?

People don’t generally like change, to start with. They try to act as though things did not change until they are hit in the face with the reality that things did in fact change (and) they have to change too. This all about a rethinking because poo for sure changed with the preseason.

As far as owners starting off bad, JR for all his faults had us in the NFCCG year two. He very nearly fulfilled his pledge of a SB in the first ten years. Now we have the next guy thinking he can take a season to look at the football side and fix it. And he hasn’t done anything but make it worse. Even if he is earnestly trying his best, it is what it is.

Well. what they should be very afraid of is Young getting booed off the field because the fans are not buying it at the price they want to sell it for. Someone was telling me basically that I had no say, it doesn’t matter what I think because it is not my call to make. That call can be taken out of the team’s hands with enough fan displeasure. It is the only way fans can influence something. Coach, QB, whatever. You get the stadium booing enough and they would be forced to respond. I am not advocating that, I am pointing that they are aware and working to forestall that until such time as Young may be able to win some people over. Cause they are losing people from their corner, right and left.

This part, yeah. Probably close to the truth but to understand the hostility, those team officials clearly claimed what they claimed. I won’t cite it incorrectly going off my memory but everyone should remember the stuff Reich, Fitterer, Tepper, and others were talking. He was oversold, and that doesn’t breed trust. Being lied to breeds resentment. Plain and simple. People are giving him a chance this year even if they lack faith because they pretty much have to.

I respect you man, you make many contributions here. I was also witness to everything you document here, from your perspective. And disagree. But it is a fruitless argument to even have, which turd stinks worse. I picked mine, you picked yours. I don’t really want to argue about it any more.

There was a lot going on in 2010. Yeah it wasn’t good. Fox being lame duck and trying to spite JR by forcing Clausen into the starting roil, and I was as mad at him as I was at JR. I went through iot too just like y’all did. Stars were aligned for Stroud, you could say too. They made the right choice in 2011, and so far, as we stand today, it looks like the new people made the wrong choice in 2023. And didn’t just make wrong choices for a season or two they have been making wrong choices since they came. We have endured a steady decline, lasting years. I am hoping we have bottomed out but unless the quarterback proves not to be a mistake, we have not. Value that according to your standards, it is part of our freedoms.

Nice. The man wants a do over at QB, or maybe everything. Kill him.

They chose not to pressure Young with competition, and I am not trying to incite people, but the reality is, they have to go low to avoid favorable comparisons a chance to take root and spread through the fanbase. Or something like that. They want Young starting and don’t want counter opinions to gain momentum.

Contgratulations, sincerely. This poo is worse than all that

It’s actually Tepper’s team, and part of a huge business run by lot of rich dudes, staffed by a bunch of millionaire players. That is a reality. They are beholding to us. When they the trust they break the bond.

I believe horrible ownership is the loophole to escape loyalty, without guilt. If I leave it will be Tepper, and he is his last chance right now, this year. I won’t pick another team. Just ignore NFL football.

That is a lot like the way I feel. Except I’d say it is more fore me that I still love football but am not happy that the NFL is the gatekeeper, and is taking the sport farther away from what I grew up watching and what pulled me in and kept me in. Their greed has been out of control with the NFL and money seems to be their only compass. It is harder and harder to love.

Week one, has never been trustworthy. Results don’t run to form. It was the 5th game. Now it’s the 4th game. Would that lead you to think it will be more trustworthy or less? And game 5 is now Week 2. I still look at it as Week One and still feel it is not a great indicator of what kind of team you have. Haven’t figured it out yet, just like the NFL guys are still trying to adjust their thinking. But I am going with we have two week ones now. Every year almost there are some outcomes that at year’s end you will look back on and wonder how that happened. And we have a team predicted to do nothing and most of us agree with those predictions... so it makes me wonder why starting 0-2 would really upset people. It’s a project year to me, most important thing is that they get things together and I am not expecting the job to be done by September nor do I understand the worry about it. What they look like is more important than the game’s outcome to me, at this stage. If they can get the level of play up, now they can focus on the winning part.

I determined I’d give him ’24 to show he belongs in the NFL, is what I determined. And am skeptical that he can do it. Characterize that however you want.

Destiny? I am nowhere near the realm of a predestined (oops, predetermined) fate, I am looking at something that I do not see succeeding because the QB has limitations that I, in my own value system, cap his ceiling. edit: I said “sometimes" I said 2024 is given to prove he can be the man

I am baffled when people watch a player playing like poo, hear the coach praise or defend the player, and get mad at the coach. I mean, they know the players are listening and are building them up... it is one of the most coach speak things there is. It is his job to make that player better and he is working on his mindset.

Sorry you were quick with that reply...I hit post before I finished and wenty to edit the rest in. It feels like mediocrity is the best outcome we could hope for, and we know what it looks like... I’d rather not do that.