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I don’t understand the organization blame thing in the sense that the people who were here when Baker was here are not the people who are in place for this iteration of the team. This era. Morgan is no offensive guy and if was here for Baker and Sam (just looked he came here in 2021) he likely had little to do with any of that he was a subordinate front office exec with scant offensive background. I also can’t quite reason out why he would have had real influence over the selection of which QB we took, because what kind of power did he even have? I say probably little real power. I think he should be judged by what he did as GM when he did have some power. And the idea that if f something is perceived to be wrong now they are blamed/credited for what happened when they weren’t even here. Tepper is the only real link. I struggle to accept this line of thinking.

Remember when he said he would take a year to learn the business side and a year to learn the football side? He was supposed to be straight 6 years ago. Ready to take on the NFL. Wasted three years some great draft slots on an obvious folly. Carpetbagging motherphucker That felt good.

I haven’t made a deal out of CJ since we left 2023. It isn’t a thing I look at. I root for him if I see his game but that means nothing. Just became familiar with him and wanted to take him but Bryce stands or falls on his own and CJ Stroud’s success or failure is irrelevant to Young does. I mean that extends to head to head. Because they are not head to head at all. They are playing against a defense. People trying to make it mean something so they can one up somebody? Meh whatever. frank and completely, you guys are cracking me up tonight

He is trying to build a team that can carry a crap QB because the owner insists that we coddle the crap QB. PS I don’t know What Tennessee was doing firing Vrabel. I know that Dave’s (and most of the posters here) obsession with having a shiny modern offensive brain and the finesse offense that generally comes with that preclude interest in hiring Vrabel or any other defensive guy.

I feel like Canales, or anyone that had to depend on Young for success, should get a shot without him. IOW I agree we need to see that. He is green as poo. With too much on his plate, having to be QB guru play calling guru (around what might mouse can do), and the rest of the team too. Steep learning curve. People talk about you Young going elsewhere and succeeding should be wary of that with Canales.[edit: not saying immediately, but he can get himself another shot] We knew to get a coach we had to hire one too early. And we did. So I am more hesitant to trash his potential than I am BY9. How big or fast Canales is, doesn’t matter; we can”t go by his physique to see his ceiling like we can with a high school sized QB with bad footwork. as far as improving….. When the OL’s continuity gets messed with, you have setbacks and it takes time to re-establish. That happened to Dalton last year I think. Things around him were just not that good. Out of sync. It never really settled back in before he had his accident. Same thing is happening here so it might be a while before we see any improvement, especially with this guy playing QB. Maybe at home against a team doing us favors, we can see something better.

I was there in spring 2023. I just knew. Could see it in Bryce, what he is. College. And for me to see it, it needs to be obvious. I guess everyone thought his other ‘qualities’ overrode his physical deficiencies. Relative to the NFL. With Tepper, we are down to hoping a blind squirrel finds that nut. On top of that, we have to worry he will think he can tell the nut how to be a nut.

Yeah there are other inadequacies that could trigger action unrelated to Bryce Young. But is seems like Evero was also a condition. Which would cut out the defensive side in a fair evaluation.

Cool. That is really short. Excluding his no doubt fat paycheck I would not want to be in Canales’ position under these circumstances.

It stands to reason that there would have been conditions of employment baked into an agreement. Especially if it is a 7 year deal (someone said it was I have forgotten). Bryce gets two years of development before the cut bait clause kicks in, or something like that. It makes too much sense. Canales would still have time to draft and develop his guy under those terms. I know this, if Bryce is bullshit, fools gold, those players know it right away. if people don’t think being forced to take the field with a guy you have no faith in does not affect their attitudes, they aren’t thinking right. It can’t not affect things, even in professionals. I am not dying on the Canales hill, but I don’t think he gets a fair evaluation if he is only judged by what he can do with Bryce’s leading the team. Not him specifically, that goes for anyone.

Please do. I’m sure it will be a short clip.

The contrast was stark. Black and white vs color tv.

I guess I am gonna have to Um, listen, UM, to Bryce’s postgame to see what his excuse is. Even though I know that it will likely be “I have to UM , be better….”

Look at the bright side. Maybe at the tail end of a long and successful career, he will come to Carolina for his last underperforming washed up hurrah performing year.

When I saw the thread title my first insult was gonna be ‘carpet bagging mother fuger’. Came in here to type that.

It sounded a little more sincere this time, like he really is going to start him again. And I didn’t see the game, so: was he really as bad as what got him yanked last year? The numbers looked better.

I swear it’s like it is a female with a crush.

If he was fixing them I don’t remember. Honestly. Not saying he didn’t saying I don’t remember that. What I remember thinking is that the shoulder finally forced him to take some off of the ‘nearfiield’ throws and made them more catchable. Football tragic outcome though.

Defense too, I think.

So you didn’t see the game looking like an NFL quarterback was in charge of it? With the throws downfield and I don’t mean in the sense of 20 yards is a deep ball. I mean a pre fantasy football scoring system deep ball that has been a staple of NFL offenses since the 1960s. You didn’t immediately see the contrast in arm strength and what that allowed in terms of play calling? That is what I was going for. Not what you were able to cobble together as a defense via your Bryce fanboy or fangirl filter that you obviously have activated. Sorry, that was your chance to prove you are able to distinguish between fantasy and reality. And you did not take it.

If I may, I have a question: When Dalton came in, In the week three games of 2023 and 2024, did you notice the offense looking a little different? Same players around him as Bryce had. Your move.

That common denominator, I didn’t confirm the context, but if I make a guess I would say Canales was not any denominator in 2023.

Finding your niche in life is very important

He has one game that was great by his standards (Atlanta last year) and one half that showed something (Green Bay 2023). And he followed that have with two goose eggs to finish 2023 and then put in those horrendous outings to start 2024.

I did too. And I bet you caught so much poo for it. I did. My view was that he was leaving a lot on the table by not being serious about drilling that to death and getting it down. Becuae I thought and still do that had he addressed that he could have been one of the all time best. He was great already but that puts him over the top. His career to me was a story of untapped potential.

So Bryce is going to be tank commander this year. That, he can do at an NFL level.