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Chuba was off for some reason. He has been better than that more than once. And supposedly had worked very hard to up his capabilities and take advantage of his opportunity. He just wasn't as good as he needed to be. He needs to find whatever he lost.

Illogic abounds

That is a long standing rule of mine. I would defend that hill. But I 'over' reacted last year because I had never seen such... and I wasn't wrong at all. It was ugglee from day 1-365. They say the exception proves the rule. I couldn't say, but that poo was an exception alright. Because first week was absolutely a barometer. Sunday just felt a lot like that, but more focused on the one guy who fell way short of meeting expectations. Who knows. Just like the saying that it is never as bad as it looks nor as good as it look... maybe yes maybe no.

Can't ignore the entire gaslight media and NFL insider type people that said it was literally everything else. All he needed was ... everything just right. But they have almost all changed their tunes in a week. Obedient weathervanes that they are. The Buffalo preseason script was only just over two weeks ago. Which was pretty good but people just ran with it. Like we are running with what we are running with now, to be fair. Here it is though: as soon as stuff gets real he shows you that meandering drop stuff. And you know the re-training hasn't taken. (or, you should know). Not that it is an easy thing, but right now he ain't doing it. I don't expect that to work, really. You have to deal with what he is and get the most out of it somehow.

That is worst case. Or close enough. I think I am going to go find a replay of a good team playing. I sort of watched Colts/Texans it was entertaining and 'super' depressing at the same time. Hmmm. where are the most ex Panthers playing?

You might be right, and that is a 5 year setback at the minimum. 6 maybe. Worst case. And predictable.

Not old enough...

That would be something. All we need is the QB to be right to at least reach a a decent floor on offense. But the defense doesn't depend on one guy being right, there are multiple holes. I don't know. If the offense scores 17, it would be nice but not maybe enough.

Gettleman showed so much promise when he got here. That was over pretty quickly with me but I loved his 1st draft. edit: I hated his WR philosophy. Actually, right now, we still need a good WR drafting employee and we have a couple guys that have the WR background. Legette looked pretty good his first game too, so that is promising.

I am not advocating sucking. Just conditioned to anticipate it.

I guess my perspective is more, it might not take the whole year. If it doesn't what is the best thing? I am thinking a reasonable time to break in the rookies, to gel the OL working in sync especially pass protection, and just to give everyone a chance.. you probably get Brooks on the field. Etc. If he can make that work by week 8 or 9, keep running him out there. That is fair. But, if he stinks up the home field it won't be so forgiving. (may not make week 9) Week one (in a year) we did not expect to win a bunch to start with, but we expected some improvement. Most people, I guess I am saying. Obviously there are diverse viewpoints. The most reasonable people, IMO, have said they are not concerned with the record they just want to see some positive from 9. I'm in agreement. But he showed less than nothing after months of preparation.

that hoagie spread.....

I think we get a tip drill score from the defense. Pure luck funny bounce type stuff. So we might get 10 or 13 points.

I don't know about that. But, I would never pay for a vacation that had me attending a game to watch these Panthers. It's supposed to be fun. edit: and it would probably be appropriate for Tepper to insist that the Germans put down artificial turf for his visiting football team.

That poo was over when Fitterer and Reich showed each other their little secret choices.

Bryce Young is like paying $100 to hear a guy that can't even play in tune. We just want to stop the madness and enjoy watching someone that can play. Even a little. We would better off with a bar band.

Do you remember the number of people that were thrilled to trade all that and pick Bryce? They were happy. They shouted down any dissent, just like in the real world. We'd end up the same. I do wish he would post here. LOL. edit: If Fowler is right, that is pretty great. I don't trust him though.

When they make the opposing defenses wear shorts and give Young a red jersey, you might get some wow.

Nice post and agree with much, but we actually ARE as bad as people think we are right now. 8 games of working together? Yeah, completely expect improvement. But the offense wasn't that bad outside of the QB. Who was holding him back?

I'm all for anything that gives Tepper the kind of feeling in his stomach that I get watching the beloved team he has single handedly ruined. It isn't about pleasure it is about pain. His. I would love to watch him melt down again.

Get one for Tepper's big ass head too.

I think that would be much more like the proverbial tree falling in the forest with no one there to see it.

When they are the dumbest team which leads to being the worst team, the reality needs to be distorted and perverted into whatever gets a laugh. The new value system rewards exceptional dumbassery over positive achievements. Just like real life.

I think you should consider going ahead and giving it up for the season. I do agree that there could be some kind of improvement in the QB. No one is really that fuging horrible. Right?

At this point Derrick is about the only one I hate it for. And his defensive teammates. And I do. He is an asset among few. And a good teammate from what they say. We can finish last without him, and were going to finish last with him probably.