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Without watching it, I am gonna guess it is “well it got me this far”-ish. I bet I will get pissed or disgusted if I watch that but I’ll try and get to it. I always remember Reich and Tepper going at it over the mechanics/footwork. Reich supposedly told him it was an offseason project not an in season one and big Tep demanded he fix it that week. Was shortly before Reich was fired. Btw I thought that after we got Bryce Frank always looked like the long suffering guy with a shrewish overbearing wife. Who was stuck. A sadder Al Bundy,

Excellent. With Bryce, as with many situations, you don’t advertise your weaknesses. You hope people don’t notice them.

I remember so many times when he would pop out the pile and get up a head of steam with that long stride and who the hell wants to get in his way? Or flick the ball 40 yards on a rope. MF was the most naturally gifted player I remember seeing. (At QB. I mean, Bo Jackson?) I was irritated the same way you talk about Bryce, with Cam going back to school (mostly to be BMOC and chase skirts I thought) after his rookie season. I wanted him in those same drills to finish building himself. And that went on throughout his career. He never felt the need to make himself take that last step up. Apparently. It came so easy for him, I understand. He didn’t have to do that to be better than most other guys. He was young and rich and horny. Have some fun, work hard in season.

How about non 6’5” Brady, just a couple of years ago? Honestly since I quit playing FF and also cut the cable I don’t watch the league like I did. So more examples, I might be slack. Stroud is more in that mold to me. Classic drop back passer. I think my point is, if you have that guy it can still work. The shift to athleticism being prioritized (which really kind of kicked into gear with Cam) has led to a reduction of guys playing that way it seems like. The pool of players in that mold is smaller.

It still does, or can, if you have that guy and can protect him. But getting the ball out is the huge thing right now. Backyard stuff has slowly migrated up from high school to college to the pros. It is the fastest way to get athletic guys on the field. So they build around that. I think.

I got killed talking about Cam’s non existent footwork. Racist! Hater! All that stuff, constantly. You could not speak that way here. I just quit. There were a lot more Cam stans than Bryce stans. For good reason. But it was overwhelming I wasn’t gonna try and argue with them, around the clock. I was coming at it from the perfectionist perspective. The idea that if he could do that he could really be in the all time great conversation. It wasn’t said to tear him down. People couldn’t deal with it. As good as he was, that extra would have put him up on another level. Two levels. It is a shame that it took an injury to force him to adapt his process.

I am not at all a scout technique guy. I can tell you, you probably have seen me say this a bunch, but 10 minutes or so of watching his pro day was really all I needed. It was there. And this goes back to what I said about we are indoctrinated to his play after all this time and it doesn’t look as different to us now (or me), but I went back and looked at that same video two years later and it was harder to see. But it was clear as day the first time I looked, I don’t have the skill to see it if it weren’t.

I think he is such an outlier people didn’t know what to do with him coming up. If he can get by with his unique mechanics and get the win, those coaches accept it and work around whatever they need to. Path of least resistance. Easier to put him in the gun and snap it to him back there, you don’t have to teach him to do under center drop plant throw timing stuff. Matter of fact that isn’t just him. That is all over high school and college. But he is a special case with that crazy parallel meandering back pedal on the tippy toes. That is height related, seems to me. It is how he adapted. Talk about fixing it, tall odds, as fuged up as his mechanics are relative to proper. What Warner is pointing out (and explaining it much much better than I ever could) is a lot easier to talk about than do something about.

And when you realistically discuss it, point it out, whatever, you are hating!

I don’t disagree with any of that. Any sport that relies on drilling to get a reliable and repeatable physical action presents these same challenges. I have used Tiger Woods as an example because he is so well known and suffered through trying to change and make it stick in tournament play. Majors and stuff. He really struggled. At some point you can end up stuck between the old way and the new and just totally confused. But all the training and drilling in the world often falls apart under pressure. Think about the years he spent training himself to do it the way he did it his entire life. It is really hard to overcome that stuff, it is ingrained in you to the point you don’t have think at all. Hopefully. Undoing that and rebuilding it into a different process is a massive challenge. Getting to the point you don’t have to think and you are doing the new way, is the final hurdle. This mechanics thing and my opinion on the level of difficulty he would face is the biggest reason I had for being against drafting him. More so than his height. which, btw, the adapting to a new technique thing, freaking Larry Bird played an NBA game shooting only left handed and they still couldn’t stop him. On a whim. Damndest thing…

The problem with him fixing it s it really can only be practiced in real games. At game speed and under game conditions. Doing it right in 7 on 7 or when you have a red jersey on, and even preseason games - which are Not played at the pace and intensity of in season, that is kind of a piece of cake. By comparison anyway. The only way to overcome it is at full speed, and even then if you aren’t pressured you can stay with the new mechanics. But man when it gets down to it do or die time there is an overwhelming urge to revert to your comfort level. (That is what people can’t overcome, usually). I think theoretically you could fix the mechanics but realistically, in NFL games that count, people don’t have multiple seasons to indulge you using games as practice reps. Also, that game speed. They say that come playoff time, that intensity and speed of the game really gets into high gear. It will be his first taste of that. On Warner, it was late when I found that video. I made it through only half , but it seemed like Kurt was being extra polite and trying to be positive and constructive with his criticisms. I didn’t think he was at all attacking Bryce. PS, go ahead and laugh at the idea that Canales alters the play call approach to compensate. He does. Anyone would have to.

This is something I definitely relate to. I have been saying we have been indoctrinated since year one. Hypnotized. Something. Not sure how to verbalize it. We got used to seeing it. Desensitized lol. It looks normal now, but the first year and the first couple of games the difference between him and normal NFL QB play that I had been used to watching my entire long life was stark. And as a fan of the team, seeing it was fuging disturbing. I remember after the first game in September 2023 just being kind of in shock over what I had seen on my TV screen. And the 3rd game vs Seattle when Dalton played, it looked right again. Major difference. No wonder Frank had ‘that look’. I noticed that by year two it didn’t seem that way nearly so much. But then I’d watch some other teams play and it was real noticeable. And I don’t think we really see the arc or trajectory, or the velocity all that well on a telecast with those angles compared to being in the stands. Someone else might opine on that, I have not been in the stands. I said all along I could see a way it could work, but really didn’t want to watch that kind of ball. And we have kind of done that. Made it work enough to get a playoff game. Here we are.

Anyhow, came in here to drop this I got about halfway through it. It is worth watching.

How is a play call related to his mechanical deficiencies? In a sense that you could possibly blame the former for the latter? If anything, it the opposite. You might choose a play because it does not require great mechanics and timing, I can see that. Those rollout on the run throws for instance.

Almost may as well keep Dalton. Geno won’t be competition. IMO. He could be but I don’t think they will take that approach. I think more Andy pt 2, big bro, mentor, emergency starter. I really want to be wrong but we have had no encouraging signs there for two years. If we are stuck with Bryce again, and it looks like we will be, I would so much more prefer a younger player with a possible future. A guy that hasn’t been great but maybe didn’t have the best situation - and let nature take its course. But I don’t expect anything that I want to happen, as far as it goes. It never does. Not one time yet under Tepper. Starting with the 3-4.

Not sure who you are talking to. Everybody maybe? Anyhow the family cat woke me up so…. Saturday, I will be in the playoff frame of mind for that game don’t worry about that. Will be living and dying on each play. Pretty sure everyone will be. That is still a few days away though. Right now it is yes we made the playoffs. Backed into it with some convoluted 3 way tie breaking magic. It took a heroic finish - not by us, but by Atlanta. I don’t hardly know how to feel about it. I don’t feel like we won it. It is just sort of, well okay here we are, somehow. Our number came up. We were lucky. And that is what we were. Not good, lucky. As far as here, this discussion, I think people rightly feel like, look at the offense. And it is kind of, what offense? They shut our run down and we become totally stagnant. Some people have faith that the QB can beat people with his arm but we aren’t doing it. We went into our bye off a big high. In or tied for, first place. We control our destiny. 4 games to do it. And we freaking finished 1-3. That control our destiny thing? We didn’t control poo when it comes down to it. Lost in the mix is basically a huge collapse. No one really called it out, it got lost in the excitement of the chase. But, 1-3 with the playoffs on the line - every week. Not inspiring. I mean, you don’t call that trending up, and if we hadn’t lucked into the tournament that would be our finish headed into the offseason. Not what you want. And if we don’t win Saturday? 1-4 to finish the year. Limping out. Okay that said I do hate going into playoffs on a winning streak because you are almost due to end the streak and that loss ends your season, so dropping One before the elimination games start is almost a comfort. But 1-3 with a 54 yard passing total in one of them? Followed by 14 points in a must win. Hmmm. I am supposed to be optimistic? Sorry I don’t think I can be. I can hope, that’s different. It has just been a rough 8 years, and the excitement of having a winning record is in the rear view this week. About the only way we can have one is make the NFCCG I think. Anyhow, on offense, where are the signs that we can beat people who stymie our run game? I suppose it could happen out of the blue but we haven’t really been able to pull that off. Beating Tampa Bay was good. That was it though. Our other last little bit of glory is two plays on 4th down where they didn’t really pay attention in the back end, somehow, and we got two really nice results. Not once, but twice back to back. Honestly it was so out of character it felt a little fluky. And here we are, depending on that to happen Saturday. At least I guess is what we are hoping for. Good luck to us.

These are really good. I have t gotten a single one yet. Haven’t done any searching or anything. I am gonna guess Walter Young in case his pic comes up.

I did a for instance quick look at the Green Bay game, stats and PFF. 102 yards passing, he graded 42 decimal point something I just glanced at it. Probably not overrating him, it was one of the lowest scores for the team. So I wasn’t being real accurate relative to that particular game with the over grading comment. But I don’t know, I still think there are probably other examples like what you cited where he did get some generous grades.

The kid is about to win the MVP. Ask cuz for some of what he is smoking.

NO is pretty obvious to me. Hell we couldn’t match up with them when they had like one win. The rookie’s 2nd start, we lose to them. I don’t know what to think about Atlanta with all the change that is coming for them. TB, they won’t be pushovers for us either. As far as repeatable, that would be standing still which you know… if you aren’t getting better you’re getting worse. We’ll have to be better.

The criteria for BTT is so subjective and not very nuanced. 1/2 point increments are clunky, if they shaded the grading variances a little finer, it would still be subjective. It’s fun to look at their graphs and get a general picture of the league, for fans, myself included, but I don’t really see the utility for pro evaluations. Do we envision Tillis and the super stat guy we hired (forget his name and can’t find him on the team site), do we see them relying on PFF? Lord I hope not.

It wasn’t played up at the time because there was so much Bryce vs Green Bay and Atlanta hopium, and also because Tepper was raging the whole year and grabbed a lot of the attention. We had so many people who blamed the excuses and were willing to give him (Bryce) a pass on the entire abomination of a season. I wasn’t one of those but I was raging at Tepper too.

And maybe pounded the drum too.

There isn’t an easy sure thing game on there outside of the division. 7 playoff teams if I counted right. Plus the division where if we played today we might have a tough time - two teams we were 1-3 against this year. Plus Baltimore.

Several factors there with an assortment of possible candidates Those two, way too stubborn and strong willed to control. And I think they had enough demand that they could ignore some possibilities that didn’t look great to them. Maybe, just maybe, no one wanted to try and run an offense with Bryce in the QB spot. I know there are a few that think Bryce is the man, stan, but that being a condition of employment would be a strong deterrent for a lot of people. edit: especially coming off of the insanity and failure that was 2023.