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You want to spell that out? Is that referring to our current situation as a coaching based deficiency regarding Young? As if he really could have any other result given his quantifyables. I am not sure exactly how far you are taking this. I was going to post this because it has some unattributed content that the members have gone round and round over. I found it to be worth listening to.

Well I will tell you right now that as I remember he went back to college his first offseason as a pro. I characterized it as basically going back to play big man on campus and chase skirts and have fun. He could have gone back and gotten a degree like, after he perfected football. I just wanted to see him work on it like we all want to see Bryce work on it. That is exclusive of previous performance, that has no bearing on things because anyone can get better. The best to the worst. You couldn't ask for that and not be called names, the same as you couldn't doubt Bryce before he proved what he really was.

Damage is done. I don't believe in him, and am not readjusting just to protest that we spent all we spent to end up with a 5th rounder...

That stuff is rare but really, do the trade value chart on what we paid for Bryce. I looked at at one that had 199 valued at 5 points, the 1st overall at 1000. Meaning you have 200 tries with the 199 vs 1 shot with the 1. Now if you have the stomach, I don't, do the rest of that trade for Bryce even devaluing the future year picks by a full round the number of times that can be devided by 5 - would be staggering. Use pick 33 if you want, the point is we paid an insane amount and could have had many multiples of the 33rd instead. Whee do you think the value is? Not up top.

Yeah they had this poo circled for free stats week.

Trading back from 1, or 2, and trading back into the round later or having one of those picks included in the deal, getting your QB a little further down, would be something I would feel decent about. Plenty of guys have worked out that were taken later.

Paid by the word, apparently. Doesn't matter what word, just say a lot. I try and listen to these guys but the people I want to pay attention to have that all 22 cued up to talk reality on film. Okay look, he is talking like he doesn't understand psychology of building up a player with public comments that get back to him. It a big tool and not reflective of the current reality it is projecting positive on the future reality. Bryce did plenty to lose that job. More than enough.

Well, if I had a brain that could think and reason properly and take in information, I would know that the people coaching me are not the people that brought all that dysfunction to the Panthers. That's one thing. The other is you could ruin your career if you grandstand like that and don't back it up by being hot poo. There are a lot of angles.

I am with Ace on the it isn't a thing part of it. He never says he didn't throw or work. So I can't blame him for something we don't really know. I am absolutely no fan of Bryce the baller.

My family was from a little ways down the road, I understand him just fine lol. He talks like the old timers used to. XL has the Rx.

Okay, not suggesting you do this work, but find a major talking head that even once suggested he was not the most pro ready football mind ever. I am agreeing with you btw, not arguing against your opinion. People were not even debating it as I remember it. Everyone was touting his readiness to step right on to an NFL field and take the team forward. NOW, they pretend they weren't saying that stuff and look to pass the bad evaluation off and organizational dysfunction. When in reality, taking him is the prime example of the team's dysfunction in the first place. I don't care where he went - he cannot play like he is trying to play and get away with it in the NFL.

Can't defend Tepper but that viewpoint (admittedly) ignores that he is the manifestation of that dysfunction. The biggest impactor of suck that is on the field for us to see. I haven't listened and doubt I will (my mind is finished with calculating his chances). But it is completely understandable to me that people want to hear it.

Okay then Tepper made the initial ripple. The QB obsession was going down that road. For sure. And like Young, when Tepper's big chance came, he totally blew it.

That article is fair in much of the interpretation, where the real dysfunction is lives in the minds of the league sources. If they really believe it is the Panthers' fault and Young is the talented victim, we need to speak with these people about a deal. The author admits that the narrative shifts or doesn't according to what Dalton can do with the same roster. Fair enough, I am willing to believe we'll see the difference immediately.

Strike while the iron is hot. He is a half ton truck you can tow your skiff with, but you are not pulling big league weight for long with it. Can't take it up in class without the goods being there.

That is more true than not. I don't recall a devastating blindside helmet in the back or having 300 pounds laying on him to drive him into the turf, and the real rough stuff that people used to have to deal with.

Except we weren't the worst team in the NFL in 2022, were the 9th worst record. Close to the TOP of the bottom third. We got a whole lot worse drafting him and sending DJ away. And the injured guards up front took us down. IOW I don't think that is really that big of an excuse for him. And have no argument on his lack of NFL aptitude. He comes up short! We don't have a lot of time to enjoy our short puns... use them up.

That was the bullshit part. He had clean pockets and he had open receivers, and it was being ignored so people could push the excuse narratives. I mean, there were fewer times these things were there, but erasing the times they were is a dishonest argument. IMO.

What I have noticed with his blocking is good. Willing to stick his nose in there. Not just patty cake and hand fight and get in the way like most of them.

It was there from his very first game. I distinctly remember being aghast at the lack of urgency in his play. You need someone assertive and being very strong willed in that assertion, and he has to attempt to control every aspect and then when you fail, that is when you rationalize the lack of control.

Okay this is because of something I was really down on doing, and it is the overcompensating to help Bryce Young do his job. That is chasing a poor investment. You don't NEED the best two guards or the most expensive two guards for everybody. You take the IR'd RB a little too early to beat Dallas to him, because of his receiving component being that strong and again, that was done for the same reason, they thought they needed to have more than the average around him. It was just sad to see for me. And the defense was also pilfered to enable that overcompensating. I will be so happy when that guy is out of the equation and they can build for a player that doesn't need as much help. The ripple effects of that decision affected practically every move. It is like robbing from your business to cover your gambling debts

Yeah I would probably have moved Icky inside and not bought one of those guards at that money. But that leaves another hole to fill. It's a puzzle alright with the money being so huge.

I hope he does well because he is cool. Real easy to like.

I don't think it was an all night sized job in the first place. When you see the rehabbed mechanics in the Buffalo Drive at work and those results it is very encouraging. Even against twos and threes because you see the work and the results which is more important than who you are playing against a particular day. Jump ahead and watch him playing real football at real speeds with guys really chasing him with bad intentions. That poo lasted about 8 drop backs at the most. As far as the breaking him that people are using to fault the team, okay he broke but you going to blame the team for him being built to break? You are trying to use freshwater gear fishing in the ocean, good luck. It was built to do one thing, not the other. On road vehicle, don't take it offroad. I blame the team - for not seeing that he was not built to thrive at that level. That's it. You bought water in a wine bottle, doesn't matter what you do it will always remain water.

And every other QB. As it should be.