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It was a nail biter. Never felt comfortable. Ugly. I place value on it not because we are 4-3 but because it is proof of progress. Possible change. Jets lost. That could have been us and probably would have been the last few years. Perennial losers on the way to being winners at some point have to learn how not to blow it. Because that is the pattern. we had some of that in ‘02. We had to transition again in 2011 and 2012. it is a step. Hopefully it isn’t followed by too many spells backwards.

I can’t stand silent any longer.. He has s sickness. It will defy any logic people try to bring. He tried to deny us the freedom of having a negative opinion of a player simply by the color of our skin. Yet we have positive opinions of many black players Love some of them I guess they must be house *you know the word* if we like them I bring it to this: let’s say you are black. are there black people that you don’t like? I brt there are. But no white people are allowed to dislike them? Because they are maybe shitty people of shitty players or there is just something about them you don’t line. We have to drop this way of thinking.

I may as well burn all my bridges here I am not sure there is a bigger racist on this board than you You seem to be unable to view anything through a non racial lens or to give anyone credit for not doing it. .

Thank you. These people are wearing me out with their non contextual statistics. As if I need more of a sample size to confirm what my eyes already tell me. They don’t want to look because they don’t want to see. You others I might get to y’a later. Dealing with you is exhausting. .

Where did I cite Dalton throwing the ball 60 air yards? I believe you err. The other guy currently in this thread claimed earlier, that Bryce could throw the ball 60 yards and I asked him if he had ever seen that.

I know what I see. It is that simple.

You are ignoring what I said - to fall back on your stats. I was talking about one game. Well, maybe two games one from week 3 2023 and one from week 3 2024 (the annual Bryce can’t play reaction weeks lol). Dalton wore down in 2024, the offense suffered some injuries in the span of games he played. The season stats will skew towards your desired outcome. Could be why you used them but I don’t care because I know what I am looking at. You avoided answering my question too, about did you see Bryce throw the ball 60 yards?

I know how you will characterize this but I don’t need your data thank you. My dad was a HS ball coach. I have watched the NFL since probably 1962. I know what I am looking at when I watch it.

You looked up some stats. Congratulations. I can’t put you in the frame of mind of watching Bryce’s two first NFL starts and then seeing Dalton come in. So whatever I say you probably won’t get the effect. It was a different experience watching Dalton run the offense. and Dalton is not the be all end all, but he looks like an NFL QB and operates like an NFL QB and the contrast was 180.

Call me a slanderer but I don’t think Bryce could operate from under center. You saw his dropback right? Worst thing Inever saw. I was flabbergasted watching our number one pick in the first game. I am numb to it now, it doesn’t register, but I had never seen such crap in an NFL game. Go look at his footwork, his drops, the whole package from those first few games. Frank may have been a mid NFL coach but he knew.. I mean it’s like they sent him on the Normandy invasion with a BB gun.

He knew the deal. He got screwed. And was pissed off about it. He could have worked with CJ. Who I am only mentioning because he was behind door number 2. And I don’t think he even got to choose his OC. Who was a running back, didn’t know QBs.

Have you ever seen him throw it 60 legit yards? I would think he would need a nice stiff breeze at his back.

I have seen even longer ones pretty sure. But damn. Man that’s why I call a Dalton start a breath of fresh air. Bryce’s game is so constricted. Closed off. I get football claustrophobia.

Not exactly lol but that was cool. Just under 70 yards aloft. Don’t tease me.

You ever play golf? Have your average tee shot length but one day you just do everything right and boom? But you can’t do it consistently? It is hard. Or say you can break 80 pretty consistently and one day you just have that day where your putts fall, you’re in the fairway. On the green? But you can’t do it every day. To me he is sort of that guy. Weak with the consistency. Hits some high peaks, but it isn’t repeatable. Maybe it is a shitty analogy.

I see a whole lot of statistical analysis and not enough, for me, eyeball analysis. The stats I would be very interested in, but have no access to, would be radar gun readouts from a variety of places on the field, including some taken with the poor footwork, the good footwork, the big launch run up, the little three steps plant and throw, and measured from different areas of the field. Like, something representing his passing chart. Something else that seems beyond my ability to calculate is I have heard people say that balls have staying power so to speak. Where the velocity doesn’t decrease all that much as you get towards the destination and the opposite where it does seem to decelerate more suddenly, etc.

That’s a nice litt,e argument you have constructed there. I counter with a simple one. Have you watched the way the games were called for Dalton? By two different staffs.

Talking about a bunch of ‘ifs’, he could have been hurt and you have the same effect. And he was hurt last year by this point in the season pretty sure. It always has to be next man up.

I think we hit big on him. Plus he seems level headed and humble (a humble WR? What?).

It is as much about forcing the defense to defend the whole field as anything else. The success rate is less important. It is nice when you hook up but it has much value as a threat. They have to see you do it to believe you will do it. As far the frequency, the player transcends three play callers, multiple staffs, with pretty much the same frequency. It doesn’t get called. All you really have to do to see it is look at the week three games of 2023 and 2024 with Dalton under center. Just watch. That’s all. You don’t need stats. If you can’t see it, I don’t think you want to see it.

We have been on that roller coaster ride already. He needs to have streaks far longer than a couple of good games. People raved about the Green Bay game in 2023. Which was mostly a good 2nd half and hot 4th quarter. Ask me what happened the next four games, if you don’t remember. or just go look them up. There isn’t much to see. The end of last year had some good things and one excellent outing, and look up what followed that, which you won’t have to but he came out this year looking like week 1 2023. Now he is on a game and a half streak, against a bad Miami team and lowest rated defense in the league - at home. This is the reality in the big picture. He needs to break his pattern, in a positive way.

I am in agreement all the way with that. Combined with the NFL’s greed with the schedule - cutting the preseason - the quality of play over the first two to three weeks of the season has really fallen off. I wasn’t too worried because for one, everyone has to deal with it, and for other we aren’t competing for real yet so use the preseason to evaluate your depth and make the best roster decisions. The fans get lesser quality football, but the fans seem to always come last with the NFL.

It’s the French that are getting knifed. Keep your head on a swivel.

I know your new message board will be top notch.

I see people with a million plays saying they get next to nothing off of them. The internet has in one way destroyed the gate keeping of the record industry and has allowed so many people to reach audiences, but we sort of needed that gatekeeping too. I want to say it is like college sports, the money makers subsidized a ton a great jazz artists and other fringe genres. Most musicians now are relegated to playing for their supper so to speak. Which, historically that is what it always was. I mean, you had patrons, you had the church and with paper and ink you had the start of publishing. Audio recording technology spawned a bubble in time where they could get obscenely wealthy off publishing royalties and to a degree, album sales. It is going back to the old way it seems. But now, there are fewer and fewer musicians who can play an instrument and get a track down live in one take. It’s all synthetic. Boo.