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Thing is though, when your D can stop no one nor barely slow them down, you are going to get decent TOP numbers aren't you? I mean, avoid the 3 and outs and you will be right there. Stats... are a murky pool to swim in sometimes. Like rushing defense, when they pass all over you then your rushing numbers might fool someone. "Oh, look, we are 10th against the run!". Okay... actually that works really good for passing defense, when you really suck on offense they don't need to pass.

Well, you are Panthers focused. Start watching a 1 win college team go out there outmatched every week and see how much fun it is. The purity of the amateur game is no more, totally gone. Not even a facade exists any more. Greed has ruined that for me. I'll watch the state teams here and there. For me that is pretty much S Carolina, Clemson, and Coastal Carolina (local). I have seen parts of a couple of S Carolina games, and they are for sure more fun to watch than Panthers games on average, even post Young.

kungfoo is just .. right. There is no good outcome. It is pick your poison because either will kill you. We can die the way you want or the other way. There is no solution for this with the lineup we are able to run out out on defense. If we can avoid more season ending injuries and keep the starters that are out there now together then maybe in a few weeks they will have gotten things a little tighter. Maybe. But right now, it is a no win. Again, 35 second drives, followed by a sub 60 second drive. Maybe I reversed the order it was two games ago... but wtf are you supposed to do with that?

Armanti. Yeah. Thanks. I'm not sure we knew Clausen was that bad until we knew. More of that trading up poo though, wasn't it? Enough to sour me on regardless of the player. The only trade up that didn't really piss me off lately is the Brooks trade because we had accumulated so much in the initial trade back that we were kind of playing with house money trading back up for him. That 2025 second was keeping me happy. edit: and also, I had zero expectations other than prove or disprove Bryce Young, and looked at the season as just basically a practice year for Canales and the new draft picks. So I didn't place a super high value on whether or not they were all immediate contributors.

Wilks went 6-6 with a lesser team than Rhule went 1-4 with. I'd figure that as 8 or 9 wins. It was nice to think we had a chance in most games. Not all but we could at least compete with the teams ranked like 10-32. I know besides the recent Dalton starts it is the only fun I have had watching Panthers football since 2018 probably.

That would be Bryce for my money. By a mile. I haven't watched much with the focus on defense and the little I have was focused on Wallace. But things are so weak that maybe it is possible he is a player they devote resources to keeping down. I think A'Shawn is probably that guy for me but again, I haven't watched Johnson with that type of focus. I guess I should. But there is no way he beats Bryce out for that title. Maybe ... the App state guy Hurney took for a WR. Forget his name, but he was pretty obviously a mistake.

I just posted a very similar opinion, I very much agree with you.

I really think that college fandom led to the massive Bryce support. People were not looking at it clinically because the formed a fanhood rooted picture in their heads. Then they get that confirmation bias thing happening. I believe the best thing to do is wait for their seasons to be over and then look at everything then. Clinically as possible.

He was a 3rd rounder but yeah he doesn't need to be doing that and it wasn't by design. I am totally bought in that they looked for every edge and every chink in the armor to defend against, to salvage that sunk cost. I knew we needed a C and wanted one, but never thought they would do it for the reason I stated. And they didn't. I spent a lot of time trying to understand the why of some of this poo, and caught arguments over it. But it wasn't me being an advocate for it, it was just trying to get what they were likely thinking.

Okay I get it, the cynical humor is something I should get right away. I'm slipping.

It seems to me it was based on getting the compensation for promoting minorities. That rule. You lose a guy to a HC job, with him at your place for two years, you get a pick. And they expected that to happen so they wanted him to pull his two years before letting him go.

Symbiotic relationship. I am about to give them something to chew on, for some clicks. A nice divisive take for them to pound. Edit: I retract that... I made a mistake watching Trevin Wallace locker room interviews. He was all smiling and not pissed off, and I was like wtf why are you all happy right after getting your ass kicked? So I went back to gather a couple of these videos and they are not immediately after the game, but the next day or even a Wednesday locker room thing. That's good to see that - I was trying to misjudge him, it fuging bothered me seeing a player smile after a loss. But that isn't what it was. So good. But I won't be making that thread.

Oh yeah. Especially now that they don't have to protect the QB in any and all ways possible. (meaning, my take was that they would not stick Bryce behind a rooking C making the protection calls)

That's a nice thought. Show me how with this bunch. All you can do is try and slow them down. I think a couple of weeks back we gave up a 35 second drive and an under a minute drive, back to back. I don't think there is anything to win with here. We have one or two players on defense that you could win with.

No, we skipped last year. It is time to start throwing some later round spaghetti against the wall to see if it sticks. I wanted Rattler, for example. He went in the 5th. He looked better than a 5th round pick for the most part in his first game. They solved him pretty well but the idea is not to take a 5th round flier and throw him out there like a 1st rounder. He needs to be slow cooked. A season or two in the league sitting and adapting might yield better results.

Yeah I always go to Kamara vs CMC in their draft. Was CMC like, 8th overall? Kamara was 3rd round (67th overall). He is no CMC but outperformed him the first season and I don't want to look up the rest of it but he is still playing. Kamara, seems like a thug type to me or maybe just not that bright and I prefer to avoid that, but he can play.

I am enjoying this debate. I am just going to say, the offense needs to be as balanced as you can make it. When you are good at the passing game and good at the running game, you can do what is necessary. Falcons seem to be there. What will generally not work is running with no passing. It is done to set up the pass. So you have it set up, and won't pass? That's not ideal either. Or, you do pass but fug it up. It is generally execution anyway. Whatever the play call, no execution = failed play. The whole thing with Bryce was run, pass, no difference. Stack the box bring everybody up like it is a run every time.

I noticed something from watching these 'pundits'. Which is how many of the topics I see here are inspired by the beat writers and these radio people. I don't follow them a lot so often don't notice and when I do look, I see it... "oh that is where that came from".

We need to get Brooks into the mix so we can see how badly we need Chuba. He has two ACLs and has only torn one... just saying. We don't know until we know, and all kinds of bad stuff has played out before. So let's get some trust established with him, or not, and then maybe the Chuba situation becomes clearer.

Worst case he becomes a very versatile super sub. Yeah, Nijman... next. I thought he was THE OL liability on that day.

I'd take a trade down a few slots followed by a trade back into the late 1st for someone they really like. That is the kind of trade up I can deal with. Just no trading future assets, you lose me 100% doing that stuff. It is my trigger point on a GM. I might be okay doing a trade that gets us some ammo for 2026, depending. On other teams outsucking us, I wish that could be decided head to head instead of this SOS stuff because they could outsuck us there.

The Wilks 'era' was the high point of 7 years of ownership. fug projecting him as a crap coach, we saw results that overshadow all other coaches in the Tepper 'era'. That is indisputable. A fact. We would about kill for that now. And I am 90% positive on Canales, fwiw. I like him as the HC. See a way forward with him. We'll see.

Compare a top ten pick with number 75 or whatever, it usually won't be a win for old 75. It likely won't be a win for old 32 over the 6th pick. Or the 4th or the 9th even. (Legette, how do we judge his first two games? Throw them out for me. McConkey picked right after, has 6 more catches, a few more yards, same TD production, fwiw) People comparing Sanders to Olsen, and Wallace to Luke, just is not that fair. And I do not endorse this as being a parallel comp but Luke wasn't Luke his first year. I mean I'm not saying Wallace becomes that, just that he should improve from this year. And in season, I hope to see improvement and maturity. --- I promise you though, Luke would not have been smiling right after the D gave up 38 points like Wallace was. And he did that poo last week too. That is troublesome to me.

I may change their nickname to spams at this point but I was putting Tepper in that category. It has been brutal if you are a person who saw it from the jump. Like before the draft.

That strength of schedule is real volatile right now, and I guess those latter teams are there because they will affect that somehow. We'll have a fairly strong top of our division it looks like, how many weak sisters do we play? NYG. Maybe the Saints can drag out SOS down and maybe Dallas, but we are going to have to lose to them head to head.