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I don’t know how people could not see it. I am no draft scout and never claimed to be. It is a situation where when you look at him, what does he have physically that is better than NFL average? Nothing that I could see. Not foot speed. Not arm strength. Then you look at his size and it is well below all but Murray in my memory for the modern NFL era. Murray has the plus athleticism/quickness and a plus arm. I still wouldn’t want him because of his size. But Bryce had none of that to offset his size. So okay now that I have assessed Bryce I don’t want him. It was a simple checklist. Except I see all this talk that they might take him. So now I decide I need to look at him closer. Pro day video… I see what I called a skip step. A little extra move on the deep pass. I look at the velocity of his throws, NFL average is being kind. I look at that footwork and it is big time wonky. So there you are, lower ball velocity in my opinion That adds time in a league where guys are timed down to the 100th of a second. Not a plus. It is questionable. Then the extra move on the deep balls which is time, in the face of pressure, and space, also in the face of pressure… it is a stack of negatives and the guy had nothing athletically to offset it. And it is the 1.1 of the NFL draft where there has never been a successful player with his attributes at his position, in the modern era. In his case you don’t have to be a super scout. You just had to look and think about him in relationship to the NFL game. I never watched him in college and think that prevented me from rationalizing things. I had no bias in that regard and I believe others might have. Combine that with a personal opinion that the SEC is not the NFL and there was no automatic approval because of the level of competition level he faced…. On that front I feel there are single digit examples of guys who truly could be in the NFL in their final year of college. The freaks. The rest of them… take what they were their first NFL camp and give the a season in the league and an offseason with the resources and standards of NFL conditioning and strength programs and compare them to a year before… you will see a big difference. And they aren’t finished growing either so that plays into it. It is was a bunch of factors that just equaled do not do this. It gets a lot harder if he had the size to measure up to these normal prospects with the prototypical physiques, and the cannon arm, etc. I never could claim to be good at eyeballing comparisons between two players like that. Bryce was such a unique situation. Anyway that was the process. Looking at guys that people compared him to was also informative, since Brees was the big one. And if you honestly look at Brees and his size, people comparing the two like they are 1 to 1, it was smoke. I am always suspicious of smoke blowing, when I find it. Saying I was not special I just used my brain and eyes and they are not special either. So I had a very hard time understanding what people were thinking.

They don’t seem to be playing the ass kissing access game

That has been striking me for 2.5 years. lol it came out as shrinking just fixed it.

Sure. A Rod and Daniel Jones are both working on around 14 million. You get basically two years of that for Bryce’s 5th year option price. With Bryce I’d do whatever. If I could designate him a post June 1 cut, might do that. Have to look up the cap rules on traded contract money I am not up on it. We wouldn’t get much for him if anything. I haven’t looked at this guy that close but I like the idea of a guy who hasn’t had a starting job but is acclimated to the league and has upside. Almost anything is an upgrade.

Not saying he is the guy but if I thought I could upgrade Bryce for a 2nd I would do it.

I think NO averages around 15 a game. Maybe. Course that was with Rattler mostly. So they barely beat their average. They have been giving up high 20s I think. Looked at it last week. The offense was the problem.

Tepper needs to hire George Costanza as special advisor to the owner.

They may be genius in their field. Can’t change a tire.

The Miami game they said the team, and Rico, saved Bryce’s job. At least they go with the way the wind is blowing.

Those guys are much better at reality than the Charlotte guys.

I have been around that and totally saw it too.

That is pretty much how I see it too. I think it was a condition of their employment.

I used to listen to them every day. Out in the boat fishing. When the Bryce homerism wouldn’t yield to the reality they started slamming texters that disagreed with them. Being derisive and mean spirited and the textor can’t respond publicly. That is when reached my fug you point with them.

Yeah I don’t think having a laugh and maybe bonding over the Rico fine is in itself detrimental. Not refocusing the players and getting back to work even harder is the offense here.

Yeah it is worse for the team that he isn’t the guy. What would be even worse is him having a stretch like last year where it wasn’t definitive but fooled enough people and they committed even more money and years. Maybe it is like learning your fiancé is unfaithful. Your heart is broken but at least you didn’t get married and then find out. I feel a little like the friend that had to tell my pal his fiancé is no good.

I was wrong on Bsket, didn’t want him. Right on Darnold. Wanted to keep him over trading up. Wanted to pick up Jones last year but didn’t really have conviction, it was more wanting to get away from Bryce and thought he was worth the roster spot to see what he had. I thought he and Bryce could compete for the job.

Yes they did but I don’t know what they were thinking. If you are familiar with the term mass formation, it was almost like that. They took people’s brains over. Lots of guys here looked and saw the same thing I did. I ain’t special I challenge anyone to rationally explain it. Made no sense.

Bumping this back up just to say for the first time I watched the team produced review with Kristen Balboni hosting TD and Stew. whixh always love to see them but don’t watch it I enjoyed it which surprised me. TD in particular got on the offense. Players and coaches. I didn’t expect that but did respect it.

I would never have traded up like that in the first place. But once that was done Stroud was the clear choice. If I were going to gamble like that, he was the horse. I am not fond of gambling like that and would have missed him in the first place. Just pointing out the obvious. I have never even watched Dart play and I hear the downsides. I am not pumping him per se. Point is he was close to an XL level investment and that is a massive difference in risk. That is where I want to live as opposed to trying to move into the top two picks type of approach. I know if we do this right we can upgrade without breaking everything else.

It is a big time indictment on ownership. Along with the other indictments. But Bryce was the major offense.

And sluggish I thought I didn’t see much of him. It was kind of…. Next. it is funny,, almost every time I say that I want the assets, all the tools, I am told about the guys with the tools that don’t have all the goods to go with them. You still have to have the tools. Of course there is more to it.

I know someone would sign him. They wouldn’t play him and he might not even be active. So fwiw do You think he could be fixed? Fixed implies that he is broken. I see it as this is what he is. He is not broken, just not suited for the application. of course I am a casual or so I am told and clueless. Can’t trust my eyes. I think the odds of him turning it on and keeping it on at a high level are way against that happening. People have been telling me I am wrong for 2.5 years and as of now it has yet to be born out. No matter what they put around him.

It is due diligence basically. Drudgery but to be thorough you have to give him the season. We have stomached it this long, what’s another few games to be 100% certain? Thwy have a ton invested and the only thing worse than being embarrassed by being wrong about him being good is being wrong about him being bad and him showing you up with another team. So I see that happening? No. But it isn’t my reputation.

I understand your feelings. But one of them owns the team and must be shown not told. Apparently.

If we let him go tomorrow what roster would he be on that would play him? He is bad.