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We still should have kept Darnold. As far as his four teams, every place he was would have been better off keeping him. Even SF. Definitely Minnesota. Where he only got to start because their rookie got hurt. And definitely us.

Yeah playoffs would the ultimate instant gratification scenario, and doesn’t really jump out as best for our overall big picture. But in a way it could be. We know what Bryce is I think. But with him back and us playing a 1st place schedule, we might be able to position ourselves in good place to draft a QB high in 2027. Have to suffer through more misery in 2026 though.

My preference was Wilks and Darnold and whoever we could pick at 9 and 40 or wherever we would have picked. Keeping DJ Moore. Talk about different. I mean the hang there is we would have kept Fitterer. And who was Wilks pulling in for his staff. But in the trade was made scenario and the coach was Reich, absolutely CJ was the right pick. He has the NFL throwing toolkit.

And I forgot the upcoming Rhule factor, 2020. He did not want to deal with Cam I don’t think.

Everything I heard at the time or remember was yeah Frank knew he wasn’t ready and Tepper insisted. Much friction resulted and of course we know who won that one That was a phantom injury week 3 2023 that got Dalton on the field, pretty sure, and that’s what it was about - Frank trying to field an NFL offense. People were and still are very unfair to him. He may not have been the brightest offensive innovator but he spent his life playing QB in the NFL and coaching them. Even though his head coaching record or chops may not have been A-1, he didn’t just go all idiot in 2023 all of a sudden.

I think so. The rub is, you cannot remake yourself down to that molecular type level of all your techniques and ways you do things, at the top level of your profession, on the fly. If at all. I made at least a dozen posts over the years explaining my thoughts on that issue. He would have had to have that stuff in order from day one. I think it would been a different story, completely. Or could have been. You can’t fix height or arm strength or foot speed or size, to any significant degree though and he should have never been drafted so high. Even with better technique. That was a horrible call on our part.

At top pay scale, me too. I thought there was a way he could have made it work with his diminished physical tools but he would have needed to accept that he should probably be in a lower tier, contract wise. His ego. Tepper’s ego, the agent in the middle… didn’t work.

Yeah it is a mixed, and mixed up, bag. I think removing the Bryce variable is the first step. If that happens and Canales is still doing counter intuitive things, take the next step. And that is why we don’t need a huge investment in QB in the draft - that may not be the best move. We need to be sure on Canales before doing that. We should get a vet or three in here.

That sounds about right. It is certainly in the range of conceivable outcomes.

That is how I remember it too. It was similar to how people portray Bryce in 2026 without his option picked up. I mean people didn’t think it was gonna be peaches and cream with Cam on an expiring contract, same as they are predicting for Bryce. IIRC the impression I got was Cam was not gonna be happy and if Cam ain’t happy nobody’s happy, to borrow a cliché from mama. It isn’t like Bryce because Bryce is the same Bryce, but Cam was not the same Cam. You cannot overlook that but I felt like his attitude was he expected the team to do business as usual. Not to acknowledge the fact that he was physically different and have that reflected in a new valuation. Which I don’t know how that was supposed to work out..

Deserve’s got nothin’ to do with it Do people deserve being born rich? Poor? It just happens. Like our QBs happen to us. We have nothing to do with that. Have they ever asked us before signing a single one? And that towel over his head was pretty strange if I am honest. Was he going for an endorsement? I wouldn’t like Caleb Williams’ fingernails I can tell you that. But if he QBs them to a division title in his second year, Bears fans will tolerate that gladly. It is all overblown.

Blissfully ignorant. If we were that stupid this would be a happier place. Baby.

Yeah we all want to have the best. You are honest about it. Cam had his faults but man did he have the tools covered. I would happily settle for a guy in the Jake mold for a few seasons. He had NFL level tools. Not top level but we weren’t super constrained by his limitations and he made his teammates better and they also made him better. We had a fighting chance with him. Matching his will to win would be harder than matching his tools. But we don’t have to have the best for things to potentially be a lot better. IMO anyway.

How does anything improve bringing Bryce back? You think he can get better? He has had three years and is pretty much below sea level with the annual Falcon bump. What is there for him to improve, that he has shown he can improve? Something he can control. What I usually hear is improve the people around him, and if that is the case I say we could do that with a better QB.

Well we really value your input Shocker. we couldn’t know how horrible we were if you weren’t here to tell us.

He showed right away. Physically including passing the football there was no doubt from the start. And we are told not to want that because it is so rare. Yeah okay but I see that ball flight in my head and 85% of that would be more than enough. We should want that and not be sorry for it.

That guy at quarterback school needs to hear this.

I don’t think he is a pussy but otherwise you got it. Always had the benefit of superior talent around him. I mean, you want to get the best people you can. People better than you if you can get them And he had that.

Yep since 2017. And we won’t this year barring some fluke poo. But this might be the high water mark record wise this late in the year since back then. One thing to say about this and how it relates to Canales. To Morgan, to whoever. This is happening with Bryce freaking Young. The walking handicap. Just everybody try to keep that in mind.

Man I quit watching last year basically because I said I would if they stuck with him. This happened with people slurping him before that last probably two maybe three games. When we won vs NYG and he had basically done nothing but everyone wanted to give him credit for whatever that was. I didn’t see the point of hanging. People didn’t want to know. Then he had that Atlanta finish and I thought well, that is something, but I wasn’t signing in to comment. I just don’t know what they are looking at. Is he blowing them?

I appreciate the news. I will say he is guaranteed right on one thing, there is too much invested. I hate say what I think of throwing another year down the drain.

Yeah. The WRs and the OL and the coaching were excuses. You should be able to see it along with those things holding him back. You should see every part of it. You should see clearly how they held him back. It wasn’t there to see.

this was the year for competition. He needs to be replaced.

If you are a masochist, Panthers are the team for you. I think Tepper is a Sadist and enjoys his power to hurt us. He plots our misery. I can picture it now “Nicole, this is working out great. These hicks really hate Bryce. Let’s pick up that option and watch the SOBs cry. It’ll be great”.

I was really going off of what I saw in Tampa. And with Andy a little. Can’t do that with Young. And yeah he is no Dan Henning/Fox with the stubborn attitude of we are run it and run it and run it some more. Is he ADHD where he forgets he is supposed to be running it? Kidding. Maybe it is the WR coaching background that overrides the commitment to running it.