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My thing is why does it have to be round one? I really don’t mind taking a receiver later, I understand the need. And the recent salary explosion for WRs make it a matter of practicality as much as an overindulgement of a midget QB. A little easier to stomach. I have bitched for years about the defense being shorted but I saw the reasoning last year with Tet, he was not a forced pick. Defense would have been. So no complaints or rants were made. But enough is enough. Get a receiver somewhere else besides 19, there will be a number of guys that can help us there as much as a WR. I mean, do people think a rookie WR is gonna come out and light it up with Bryce throwing to them in this offense? It took him 6 games to throw Tet a TD pass, in case people forgot. If we had a better QB he could have run away with OROY.

Lol or those fat ones on the internet saying they deserve a billionaire and won’t settle for less. Canales irritated me in the recent interview that was posted by saying we are good now. A good team. A winning team. All it takes is an 8-10 record and he is saying poo like that? I don’t like it. Stay humble.

What are people gonna say about their starting QB, that isn’t positive? In public. These things, they know the players are gonna see it. Here is the way I think it is behind the scenes: every effort is made to help Young succeed. That is what they would, ostensibly, do for any QB. He has shown some high ability, but has shown way too much inconsistency. Too much poor play. He has to raise his floor to the level that you gonna get good Bryce 90% of the time. Not 35-40% (if that), which does not cut it. If he can’t deliver they will make a hard decision.

Yeah I corrected myself. I think the conservative bird in the hand strategy works for me. The WRs getting 40 mil contracts is a big influence on that. We have a proven guy, just leave it be. My answer on the part I misunderstood was about the same - only if QB is in play. Which Cam Ward is what he is, I rate Mendoza above him. And Bryce.

I think I misunderstood and interpreted it as basically a redraft of 2025. There might be a couple of guys talent wise this year, but we now know Tet as a proven commodity at a blue chip position that is commanding huge salaries.

He seems to be a home run at 8, tough to find anyone I would definitely swap him for. 1st, I haven’t watched the other players much at all, and watched Tet for the whole season here. I still think we need a QB though. If this were a realistic scenario I would sure be watching a lot of video of Cam Ward.

Lord knows, please no. Trading up to 10 would fug us so bad. 51 alone wouldn’t do it. trade chart 10 = 1300 19 = 875 51 = 390 35 points short. You’d have to toss in one of the 5ths and maybe even the 200th pick to get the numbers lined up. We would be about 4 points to the good with 159 (27.8) and 200 (11). I wouldn’t even consider doing that for anything other than a QB or a bona fide franchise LT. Personally.

At the same time there were comments about Bryce isn’t getting that extension unless he proves he can be good all the time. He is not consistent. Or has yet to show he can be. Paraphrasing, but it goes to what I and a lot of us have been saying. That floor has to come up, can’t have crap like Arizona and Miami and New Orleans and SF the Jets and 54 passing yards for an entire game, and the low 1st half numbers be the norm. Again. It is just a repackaging, if even that, of what we know they have been doing all along. Giving him every chance to succeed. Sigh…. I hope they don’t spend yet another first round pick on a receiver. I am fine with drafting a WR but damn, gotta have some limits.

Typically they are very familiar with a small number of teams and the rest they really don’t know. Then it suffers. I haven’t looked at Hunt’s contract but I feel like we would really be penalized if we cut ties this year. Next year it’s maybe not so painful.

Well we don’t need to take a tackle at 19 just because he is a tackle. Which some of these might be. It is maybe better to trade back if that is the mindset. If the right player is there though I say do it.

Did I read that right? Nary an OT or ILB on the list. GTFO

I have no expertise, but that won’t stop me from pretending I have insight. I always wondered if the first surgery was done correctly or in the best way, and maybe the repair failed because it was just destined to fail. It lets me think that if it is done right he can get back to the level expected at draft time. It is more hope than anything.

I would stay away from Proctor too, and I want an OT. Too much uncertainty to take him in the 1st round for me.

Forward this poo to Bryce.

I am also in the camp of I could care less about the current refs serving the NFL. I think they do a poor job overall. I’ll leave it at that.

There are a handful of similarly rated players bunched around our pick. We need someone to fall to us that would stand out from that crowd to get some trade interest. I can’t think of a player tha might reasonably fall to us that I feel like we have to have. I am just out on picking a TE or WR in the 1st round over a trade back that gets us one of those bunched together players a few picks later and also allows us to move up for the seemingly inevitable run on ILBs in the top 1/3of the 2nd.

I would be good with 4 rounds of that. I don’t want to slough off DT but am pretty much on the get a tackle on a rookie deal wagon. If OT wasn’t falling our way DT would be a prime alternative.

Freedom of discussion aside, I mean people have every right to discuss any potential player… he is 30 and his best seems to be behind him. Sure, he can be as good once as he ever was, but we haven’t been doing this with anyone from the outside unless I’m forgetting. He doesn’t fit the obvious profile of what the bosses will sponsor. We’ve been doing guys still in their mid 20s who have some headroom on that 30 ceiling.

https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp Going by this chart that won’t get it done, at all. both of our 5th rounders are worth 56, total. The 51st is valued at 390. Moving to 41 takes 100 points. In the second where we are, it is basically 10 points per slot. You can get in front of TB for 60 points. Baltimore at 45. Which who would do that for 56 points? You are on a wing and a prayer. To realistically have a good shot at these top guys, outside of Golday, it is gonna take at least 100 points, I am thinking. And when they go, Golday’s market probably gets a lot hotter. Just going by the rankings/valuations, I am thinking if you realistically want to assure you get your guy it will take trading back in the first. Which is why I have been saying to do that if we can. For example 19 is valued at 875. 21 is 800. That, plus one of the 5ths gets you to 100 points which you theoretically could use to get to 41. I think there are going to be several good options for us at 19, if we are good with taking what is left at 21-23 we can get a good player plus fund a trade up for one of these LBs which is what I am thinking makes sense.

Well, thanks for at least trying to explain. I still don’t get it. To me, Beane and McD were like the ones that got away. I think I see enough in Morgan, combined with their recent dysfunction up there, to not pine for Beane anymore. McD is sold though.

It doesn’t bother me that people are bothered by this but at the same time I don’t get why this does bother people. Beane and McD knew people here even in the Tepper years before Morgan.They can probably get the scoop on why we let them go, if they are healthy, stuff like that. There would be a comfort level in those circumstances.

I think that DT is the only option that I would consider passing on an OT for.

I have kind of settled on Golday if we stay at 51.

Well, you can call it something else. Preliminary rankings. People are going to react. I remember years of ‘Panthers will not be active in the first wave of FA’ where we had nothing to rank. Now that we are moving and shaking people get excited. Especially when the GM performs as if the fan base has directed him. Most wanted pass rush, ILB and to fill the Icky hole with at least something. It all got done.

I haven't changed from my first thought which was trade out of 19 down a few slots. Use the booty to move up in the second to get someone we want. 51 seems just a bit out of the zone.