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Yeah we do. And still potentially on OL too. Couple other groups. NYG just had a rotation DT go down with an Achilles after trading Lawrence, shows you how fast things can flip. Specifically on Lloyd, if healthy there is no way he is not a substantial upgrade. Even if he falls short of the high expectations he will be a noticeable improvement over what we had. Phillips is an injury risk but otherwise should be a big upgrade that raises the overall pressure level even if he doesn’t go off sack wise. Scourton? I don’t see a reason to think he will not be better. He was like 20 years old last year wasn’t he? He should get better quick. Horn is a concern, especially with the late concussion and no real info on how he is doing with that going forward.

Like Wil E Coyote

And no one here has inside the room info on exactly what terms Canales was given. My thing is, Bryce was so unfixable that to hold Anyone, not specifically Canales, to a fix him or bust standard is completely unreasonable. I can’t say that is not the deal. I can’t say I wouldn’t have taken it myself, even believing there was no way he could be made into what Tepper wants him to be. But no one should be condemned for failing to make that kid into a top 12 QB. It is one the level of turning water into wine.

Lol. I love DB but not so much for his opinion on QBs other than he should want to hurt them

I don’t know what to think about that. My first thought is to reject it as homerism because he likes him personally and Bryce is likely an excellent teammate. Me not being a Bryce fan and all. I guess if I wanted to argue over it I would wonder who is the standard that Brown sets as his bar for good or not good? Andy? Baker? Baker was bad when he was here. Not quite together Darnold? Who is the standard? But it doesn’t matter what I think or anyone else here as far as it goes. The story will take its own path subject to what happens on the field.

If he wants to put his sexuality on display I am sorry but I wouldn’t want that dynamic in my locker room either.

Every season is supposed to be his make or break year and every year they accept marginal performance as good enough.

I really like the team we have in those three. I always felt like there was undue influence from somewhere on that first draft. The others (drafts) have a totally different feel, too. He still has a lot to prove though.

I think that was absolutely a factor. Hard enough when you fired Rhule midseason. Then they sort of double crossed Reich ans then fired him, so two coaches in two years and on top of that you now are shotgun wedding’d to Bryce Young and will be depending on him to make your mark. Lol. That’s a coach magnet. I think lnowing all that and where he was when he got here, Canales has done a pretty good job with the team. I wouldn’t judge anyone off of Bryce’s failure. If he failed.

Just looked it up. That 1999 season he started 15 games to get those numbers. Team was 10-5. And the NFL went to 16 games 20 years before that lol.

That could have been a 14 game season I don’t remember when they went to 16. ? No matter There was one season he filled in for the Bills and they got in the playoffs. Flutie was playing really well but Wade Phillips I think it was sat him for the starter when he got healthy (Rob Johnson maybe?) and, they lost. Fans always said they should would have won with Flutie. That is my biggest memory of it. I saw it recapped on one of those 30 for 30 type shows a few years back that refreshed a little. But that is sort of my point, he was the closest comp I could find that even sniffed success. And had a better arm. Maybe more athletic as well. Definitely better arm.

Flutie had been the best one, that I can think of. And that was after years of seasoning and huge success in the CFL. And he actually did have an NFL arm.

That is obviously a situation we would be familiar with (owner meddling). Who knows? Just saying the guy ranked how he ranked with that on his record.

Sounds like they would rank him higher if he moved on from BY9. I guess at least Dan wasn’t ranked 30th or something. Okay I looked at it. After the first few obvious top established guys I don’t know what he is using for criteria. For instance the Jags guy, one season. Ranked 18. Just let Lloyd walk. Drafted that fatasy two way player that isn’t gonna be playing two ways. And the Texans’ GM is at number 9 despite failing to put an OL around his young QB. Ballard from the Colts? Didn’t he take Richardson at 4 or something? Gave up first round picks for CBs? just for instance.

They have no minds to lose. Idiot homers.

That did happen, seemed like a lot. It would especially help this offense since it is basically defended like the red zone from our goal line until the actual red zone is reached.

For some reason my old browser and the quote button are not getting along. Regarding the mediocre I guess it depends of your definition of that word. The biggest issue we had offensively IMO is we had no means of breaking the lock on the running game through the air. When they clamped that running game down we were cooked. I don’t know what mediocre QB overcomes that. Maybe that is the difference between mediocre and largely impotent. Maybe mediocre gets it done sometimes just not all the time.

Back and everything else. But even in his big games he needed a breather. Cramping up maybe. I don’t think he is a bell cow back. Just a nice piece to have in your backfield that can hit the hole quick and be through it.

Oh, no doubt they have their tar and feathers all ready for Simms. His mocking of them was funny as hell Top ten! I mean Simms himself was a mediocre QB, he knows what throws are cake and what is hard. Even a mediocre NFL starting QB is a hell of a QB in the big scheme of things. Bryce has achieved a lot. Over achieved. I don’t think he gets over the NFL reality wall.

I thought I had a very mild flu once. The next time it wasn’t so mild. The time after that I thought I would die. The time after that I wanted to die, anything to just make it stop. It is rough stuff.

The really fuged up thing about it a lot of fans saw it before the Panthers did. If they even do see it now, after three full years. I have to suspend belief or disbelief - however you say it - to imagine any professions could not see it. But I repeat myself, same as he repeats his bail and roll right plan. You know what I will say just like you know what he will do.

I think it was a pretty honest assessment. Negative overall, but acknowledged some positives. I hope he is right about what he said he heard. Or didn’t hear. 31 is where he ranks him? Lololol. Poor Stans

It’s only complicated if you plan to throw the rookie into the fire. If you want to sit him, which I would, you are set up to do it. Bryce can fulfill the terms of his contract and we don’t pay 26.5 million him not to play for us, like dumb asses. And he can put another year of marginal growth on his resume, along with demonstrating professionalism.

Boy that’s the truth. And just going to Rico last year his PFF scores were low IMO for the huge production. Then I rewatched - plus some all 22 - and there were huge holes for him to run through. When the holes weren’t there guess who didn’t run all that far?

I like the reclamation project approach. Not sure the failure rate is any worse than a 1st round rookie. Actually I like the throw the kitchen sink at it Reclamation, drafting, take every shot you have. Short of that ridiculousness of mortgaging your future for a serious long shot like Bryce. Also, man up. Pro up. If you are a QB in that situation, a lame duck on your way out, the best thing you can do is be 100% the same as you were when things were the man. People will be watching.