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I watched on radio. They didn’t say anything about 3 sacks. If it was the out of the pocket throwing on the run it wouldn’t involve the footwork I was talking about anyway. Probably. Unless he stopped and got set to throw. I am always happy when we get a TD.

NP, fug you too.

Well well. Up down up down, holds true once again.

That return gifted them 3 points.

ST coach needs to go. Too many big returns this year.

Wow NFL has ramped up the quality of the contests this week. And a rare onsides recovery, and ‘our’ pick does what our other pick failed to do when we did that. Ahh, the gift that keeps on giving.

I have been attacked personally over my Bryce opinions, for years, and I am stubborn, but fair as I know how to be when he does something right. Got called for being an evil bad person that hates because I said he was entitled. And that started because people were saying Shed Sanders was entitled, while ignoring Bryce. You and I argued that and it did not descend into personal insults but another person in there had to go there. And the thing about it was, the thread wanted to get Sanders in here to compete and I said I would pass. It is just that he was a 5th round pick and isn’t being handed anything that got me defending him

Yeah I read it. Couple of blocked kicks, big returns allowed, on their 2nd kicker. I was just thinking, 9 years with no firings and you know stuff wasn’t perfect for 9 years. So this must have been bad. Bad for Blackburn anyway.

You are talking about two or three people with the doing it right after a win. I give it a day. Most people do. People are entrenched and it is personal in many cases. It won’t stop until he is gone or turns into Superman.

If you watched it, Simms was the real reaper. Tore him up. I saw what I posted yesterday and apparently there was another 5 minutes of discussion on Tua and how the Dolphins fuged up drafting him ahead of Herbert and whoever else (it was Love) and then fuged up again giving him the money. One thing I remember is Miami has to hide him in the big games. Another is Miami drafted the Alabama offense, more so than the player. Again, everything that was said IMO just put Bryce’s name in there and it is very much like what people here have been saying for three years now. Crazy. Watched that today. I remember people putting Tua as Bryce’s comp, in a positive light. You know, when they weren’t claiming he was Drew Brees the 2nd. I never thought anything of Tua either. And Bryce is smaller. Yay.

The OP for one. Asserting that people blamed Bryce for the loss in the title of the thread. That was not the prevailing sentiment at the time this thread was created. Very much a minority thing, I don’t remember but maybe one person if that, putting it on Bryce as the main reason. Troll thread. Did a good job too. Look at the pages. Someone counting up the draft picks as 10 on offense and 10 on defense or whatever the number was, today or yesterday - of which the offensive ones were heavily 1s and 2s and the defensive picks were heavily day 3 and declaring that proof that the offense wasn’t favored like people claim. The obvious neglect we watched for two years. I spent time refuting that bullshit because someone needed to. People saying we are bad horrible people and hate poor lil Bryce for no reason, as if it is a personal thing. Constantly. Along the same lines is people saying we non Bryce fans would rather lose than have him play well and the team wins. That we are mad when the team wins Point illustrated.

I mean, you get hired, you will get fired in the NFL. First in season firing in McVay 9 years. You probably would rather not be known for being that guy. It’s rough when you have to rely on a kicker to keep your job. But, there are things that go into it outside of the kicker. If it is out of sync you’d be looking at coaching.

This one score game run seems different to me than in the past with the Panthers or other teams. I feel like it is more about the defense limiting points than it is the typical gameplay that gets those results. I don’t know why, maybe it is a function of the limited offense. They are going to score around their usual regardless and that is gonna be 10 to say, 23-24 points without defensive scores. Low end, we lose a close one. Upper end, we might win a close one. Except for a couple of legit GWDs it seems more a function of our defense. To me. You open up the offense somehow to where we put up some points we would have some two score wins. If I counted right we have scored 20 or more 6 times and are 5-1. 6 times in 14 games. And there have been a couple of defensive pick 6s which I didn’t track down by games. Effing 20 points or more 6 of 14 times? Not gonna get it done. Season high was 31 And that was with a pick six. Rams.

To say that, is gaslighting, because it isn’t true. I mean, maybe one or two people do that but it isn’t the predominant behavior. Even Frank has given him credit. I think particularly the Rams game. A couple of glowing posts. I know I have. Gotta be honest about it because if you aren’t it undermines what else you say. But the degree of how far I go with credit, in terms of it being a projection of future performance? Not very far. Acknowledge it, but require more of it. There is a lot of bad play to offset. I tried to remain passive while the last 9 games (post ankle injury) played out. It is just really hard when the lows won’t go away. I failed. As high as a couple of those highs were, there isn’t enough. I know it is premature to just say I want to move on, made my decision after 6 of those games ended up pretty much really good or not good enough, but I have had enough of being patient and letting him show the reality either way. So in my view, he Could still validate himself to a decent degree if he smokes the last three starts. But also in my view I don’t expect to see it. Maybe one more high quality start, would be my expectation. So yes he could still somehow justify having the job next year. If that happened I still wouldn’t have much faith given the last three years and all that has transpired. Again, there is a lot of bad play to offset.

To start with, you wouldn’t want to count up that value chart. You would see quickly where that is headed. But you basically did a quantity comparison, while ignoring quality. I am looking at 2023 as the start, because it became all about Bryce. 2023 you have 4 picks plus DJ Moore for offense vs 2 (80 and 145) for defense. 2024 you got the 1st overall, the 32, the 46 and the 101 for offense vs 72, 157, 200 and 240 for defense. Leave the FA IOL out of it. Which was a crazy big investment. But it wasn’t draft. Anyway, that is basically 4 top 100 picks for offense and 4 picks for defense in 2024. Except they were 2 first rounders, the second rounder, and the 4th was really high at 101. Vs 72 and day three stuff. Please…. Second quoted/bolded… See you think we hate Bryce. That isn’t it at all. It is nice easy way to characterize us and discredit our talking points though. Me, I do mostly hate watching him play. But I don’t hate the person. I hate the hell out of the stanning. It started with the very first question I asked about his footwork, arm strength, and size. Height being the principle objection. I never even got to the durability factor. There was plenty without factoring that in. But there was rabid opposition to even asking the question of what a couple of small fractions of a second extra closing time would do for the defenders. What the extra time it takes to flip the hips would do vs a pass rush or on the other end after the ball is in the air. Split second more for recognition where it is going for the DBs. The tippy toe backpedal. That poo was a mess and it has always been mess but no Bryce fan wanted to hear it. “Go get another team to root for”. “It worked in the SEC it will be fine in the NFL you don’t know football you are just a hater”. It got worse when the real games started. It has never stopped. It is nice that many people have left that train so there is less abuse but it hasn’t stopped. So whatever…

Canales had Young’s footwork straight in preseason 2024. It really is a next to impossible quest. Young does not have the discipline to stick with it when the chips are down. He reverts. Just about everyone with that sort of handicap reverts a bunch of times before the change sticks. If it ever does. That bad stuff is so ingrained in Bryce you probably will never get it out.

Good point about Reich. They fuged him hard and it seems like from the jump with the assembling of that dream team staff. I don’t think he had as much input as a HC is supposed to have in that scenario. The Bryce people played it as if he was a piker but he knew exactly what cards he was dealt in April 2023. PS yeah well if Canales makes year three without any Tepper blowups, and even better to me, if Tepper divorces himself from the QB, he is rehabbed significantly. It hasn’t happened but if you looked in 2023 and saw him standing back for three years, you would have been in a small group. Three years ‘sober’ might help him a little. And that money…. I think it would also be highly influenced by a perception of front office competency and stability. You get another good draft, an improved roster, a year of stability that looks it could carry over that rehabs this job quite a bit over where it was in 2024.

I had considered that.

It is still an influencing variable when contemplating maki g a change. The first question in that circumstance is do you know making a change will result in an upgrade? You don’t always. You might have a pretty meager list of candidates still. I think getting rid of Bryce would be a huge unfug of the candidate list. I think Morgan and Tillis look good and the roster isn’t like it was then, you give someone a chance to get their QB maybe the list looks better.

In this day and age those are so routine, they are about like due diligence. A precaution to make sure you aren’t missing something. They probably should shut him down if the season is decided.

Glad I am entertaining you yuck yuck. I damned sure would rather watch him instead of Bryce every Sunday (and that goes for other QBs too). There is no way of knowing the record with him but I would think he could do better with this team than what we have.

I don’t know at this point. I haven’t really checked Wash out. He is here already so I would look at him. I might or probably would expect there will be some HC is out of a job and was a successful DC before being a HC. Probably start there. I really want Luke lol but that probably couldn’t happen.

Yeah, I neglected the Tepper variable in the Canales factoring. Why we have him. And it isn’t as much because he is Morgan’s buddy as it is we were turned down or just got a ‘not interested’ so many times we had to have Somebody… so Morgan being familiar is a factor yes but only after pretty much all other options were not going to materialize. We don’t even know, it may have been better to get him than the next option at that point. Which turns Dan into getting a save rather than fuging us with hiring his buddy.

No man, he is not bottom third. Please. I saw him choke in the biggest game for Minnesota last year. Sure did. Not blind. But I don’t know that he learned nothing. We may get some clarity on that coming up soon. People usually do incremental improvements rather than putting it all together at once. Or they don’t because they hit their ceiling and can’t improve but that is generally an ability thing. Plus players often learn best from failure, and getting more repetitions where they can apply what they may have learned. I guess I am a less than serious fan because I would take going 12-5, 13-4, and playoffs most years and be satisfied, with no guarantee of a SB championship. Compared to what we have been fed for years, I take that poo all day every day. That is what he is doing. I’ll wait and see how he responds this year because they will be in the playoffs won’t they?

I understand that a capable OC is desirable but I also understand, or think I might, the dynamics with the staff and maybe I’m wrong but I do not see Canales firing his offensive right hand guy without significant pressure from Morgan or Tepper to do so. So that, in addition to Canales stating pretty definitively, that he was keeping play calling. I don’t know what you do in that circumstance. It would need to be important enough to you to make it worth firing Canales to get your OC play caller. To that, if Canales not being good so far at play calling (and we only have the one year in TB to factor with what we have see here), is accepted as a given, it is only fair and honest to consider what an impediment having to construct and administer an offense around Bryce Young’s game would be to an OC. I would say it is a big complication, big surprise there. You won’t know about Canales 100% until you remove Bryce from the equation and get him a clean slate to create from - without the Bryce restrictions. And yeah you will likely end up without a top notch high flying offense. But it still *could* be much better than it is now. In the right hands. So that is potentially what we’re looking at. I suppose we could keep Bryce and bring in a college style coach and design a Bryce rollout offense or something and see if that helped. I am not in favor of that, probably the last thing I would want. We could do nothing, which I am not in favor of. We could fire Canales and keep Bryce (my least preferred option). We could get rid of both, which I would begrudgingly accept but would lament the interruption of the continuity that a 3rd year would provide. You could get rid of Bryce and get a couple of new QB prospects in here, vets, drafts, whatever… that would be my choice. I am afraid I know how it’s gonna go. All I can really say about that is, there has not been a single time in three years that I looked at the upcoming game and felt like we were gonna win because we have Bryce Young playing QB. Because of what he could do with the ball in his hands. Not once. Sure there have been a handful of games that he was part of the reason we won, a couple he was a big part, but not enough times to feel like that is my expectation. At best, it is cross your fingers and hope for good Bryce.