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First reaction is yeah Bryce processed the hell out of those 4th down throwaways. You have to go with big boy talent and try and work through the rest. Imagine if we had given Sam 4 years, 3 in the same system, with the same investment in his weapons and protection.

1000% with you there. Total buy in to that whole narrative by the majority.

I never thought a second look was even necessary. I was begging the football gods not to have us trade up to the 1st pick. And damn once we did it was a thoroughbred vs a little pony. If you have a perceived generational player in the pool and you have the 1st pick, you just don’t trade it. In the first place. But all this Bryce drama - which (understandably) takes over almost any thread, just like this one - would never have happened if the team was not sold to Tepper.

Didn’t even watch that game and all I needed was to look at CJ’s size, look at him throw with his footwork all refined.. toes pointed where he was throwing, great form, watch the flight of the ball.. And then do the same test with Bryce. Lol who in their right mind chooses Bryce?

You don’t even need 1b because Tepper is the only one foolish enough to wheel that deal. Player wise? Jake’s elbow. JR and Pep getting sideways, no Carruth, Cam’s shoulder, Luke’s concussions, it would be a long list of stuff. You can take it down to certain plays in games. Fox chasing 2 point conversions in the SB would be on my list. RMJr slipping at the end of that same game was not helpful. Every future first round pick we ever traded.

I have thought about that a lot over the years because I am a big JR fan. There was no clear succession and he was nearing the end health and age wise. Taking his team probably accelerated his decline. RIP JR. PS I guess I would have rather had him pick the buyer though, over globalist Goodell.

I think mine was easy: go back and have the guy from Charleston buy the team instead of Tepper. Navarro? Took about ten seconds of pondering to get to that answer. Some guys we passed up in the draft, some stuff with the Super Bowls, some injuries, probably many other things were pivotal but that to me is where things went to hell in a hand basket.

Yeah or some other ridiculous poo like that slapping contest they put on. I don’t know. I have been watching the NFL since the early 1960s and it won’t be easy but a man can only take so much foolishness.

I worked in music a little bit and a guy that would know said the same thing about Garth Brooks. That he treated his band and employees very well. That said, he was bad for country music IMO and Bryce is bad for the Panthers. I am sure he is a good guy (clearly) but we need a good guy with actual upper NFL level QBing skills.

Maybe some real ones like at the Roman Colosseum that pop up from under our end zone. On chains. Cross the goal line, I dare you.

Lol they would run him off now with the QB room stuff.

Are you a blues man?

I guess it was baked into the business of keeping him for the fourth year. These agents seem to think you have to be under contract for at least two years or you don’t have one. I think that’ bullshit but they don’t ask me. And the keeping him for the fourth year, given the lay of the land around the league and in the draft this year, QB wise, was not favorable to the idea replacing him. But if he doesn’t turn in a 25 million dollar worthy performance this year they need to cut bait. Me? I would have cut bait in 2024.

Yeah I remember his first year. All the excuses. All ‘his’ people saying well Peyton Manning and whoever else had horrible rookie years. As if he was Peyton Manning. Lol. So weak. No comparison ever to any bust ever, who I am pretty sure also had horrible rookie years. Who else got 4 years after the kind of performance he has turned in? Anybody? Even three.. Forget the rooms, where is an honest QB power ranking list? Where does he sit there? How many rookies have come to bad teams and passed him on that list since he has been in the league? I swear if he doesn’t light it up this year and they don’t make a change I will be gone. Rather watch competitive knitting or something.

I liked him too and refused to judge him for 2024 after the way they devalued his part of the roster. But some of these 3rd down defenses and ridiculous cushions are just bad. Raise the white flag bad. If we keep seeng that he needs to go.

Things are kind of weird with beat writers these days. Dave O’Brien who was the Braves guy at The Athletic retired months ago, like Jan or Feb, and they finally replaced him. The first content dropped yesterday. Months without any kind of focused coverage. Could be something similar in play here. They have two months before camps start where really there isn’t a ton to cover. Newton doesn’t bother me much though, I generally ignore ESPN. The stuff they were saying in reaction to Bryce’s benching in early 2024 was pretty sad. Last nerve material from people like Rex Ryan and several other highly placed voices over there back then.

I really don’t understand the urgency at TE. Or to cut bait with XL. Are people thinking that because Cam did so well with Olsen that Bryce would do the same? I don’t, at all (and Kmet is no Olsen). We are not Air Coryell or Air Chud, hell we aren’t even Air Shula. We are a lot closer to Air Check it Down. Re XL, you need depth at WR. We should at least see what camp looks like before cutting bait on him. Make sure everyone is healthy and see what he looks like. What his attitude is, if he is working hard, all that stuff.

It seemed obvious from the start. Reich was fired because he pushed back on the QB. Wanted Bryce to sit behind Andy. Pretty sure. Where I differ from a lot of people is that I never felt like Canales’ situation was dependent on successfully developing Bryce. I thought that was unreasonable and if he failed with Bryce it should be on Bryce and not on Canales, and he should get a chance with another QB. But that is not as good a bet as thinking the both of them were hired with the condition that Bryce had to be given every opportunity. That seems a given. I tell you, if Canales can make Bryce into even an average starter he is a miracle worker and should be in the QB coaching HOF.

I think Moore is a good coach and they could have a very nice offense. I think Shough is in a good place to develop. I don’t like Atlanta’s QB situation but they have a lot of pieces especially if Pearce is allowed to play. Not sure about TB. I probably fear NO rising most out of the three.

I think Morgan has done a real good job on what he has been allowed to oversee. I say that thinking he is not allowed to change QBs. I think he should stay. If Phillips has another season ending injury that could hurt him. Canales I am not certain about. Usually a HC that cedes playcalling is under fire but I don’t feel like he is. To my mind I just cannot blame anyone that is shackled to Bryce Young for not succeeding. That is being set up to fail right there.

Btw there are some shorts on YouTube of the cowboys on draft day trying to trade to 9 with Cleveland (offer rejected) and another of the successful trade with Miami I think it was to get to 11. Audio of the phone call,tapped on so you get both parties. I would love to get that from our draft room.

Yeah some of us said last year that he had so much room to improve he could be a lot better and still not be good enough. He was a lot better in a handful of games and mediocre to impotent in the rest, and that isn’t good enough. So there you go.

Blind squirrels and all… he occasionally gets a lane and can operate. I don’t think he can make his living there and it is why I didn’t think we should invest a whole lot into trying to develop that part of the offense. Like with a highly drafted TE. I feel like with him, it is super simple; you need to make running the ball your strong suit. TEs that can block. A big OL. I am concerned about the RB room there is a lot riding on Brooks. But a great RB room. If those things aren’t strengths it will not have a chance of working. Then you need to take the downfield shots which have been missing for most of three years, maybe every down isn’t defended like we are in red zone. Because that is what teams do to us.

He sure did. I’m probably glad the play calling has been reassigned. We will have a comparison. Not that I am jumping for joy at Idzik being the guy but I’ll wait and see. I mean I could look up my reactions after Bryce’s first game and not change that much for 80% of the ones over the whole years.

It is simple. If he is in the pocket he can’t see the middle. When I see him throw to the middle successfully, it is when he squirts through a gap and has the linemen behind him and he is between them and the LOS with a clear view. That is how he works it. He is not going to be good throwing to the middle just doing 1,2,3 plant, throw.