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Maybe that rumored failed trade up with Baltimore was us. Who knows? But I don’t think so and also hope not. We would have had to jump TB and teams have to be willing to move. Unless you want to get into an offer they can’t refuse territory like we did in 2023. I just think, and always did, that the minute Icky went down to that particular injury our course was set, like it or not. And I wasn’t crazy about it but sometimes inconvenient things happen and require sacrifice. No new shiny toys for us, have to keep the lights on.

I mean I agree about diminished Cam probably still being viable. Even though it gave a preview of how teams would defend the pass against a limited QB. There was an issue with the upcoming contract he was due to get and his expectations vs the new reality of his physical status - that people tend to overlook when looking back on it It had an effect on things I believe But I do have to ask… what about Tepper’s second major move? fuging clueless I mean I would take even an injured Cam over Bryce all day long.

And not see him running free. Because has been free a lot more than he gets credit for. Now what XL does with that when he does see the ball, is on him.

We were in no position to mortgage our near term future to block a team from a player that high in the draft order. This is like, worrying about the things you can’t control.

And two of them clearly have us beat at QB.

Yeah it will truly be such a shame and a waste to build a great roster only to leave the likes of Bryce Young behind the wheel. Like I said before it will amount to putting fancy wheels ion a Vega. Or a go kart. Or to tailor this to Tepper, ketchup on a great steak.

Yeah a lot of ‘progress’ isn’t really better at all but sometimes it actually does improve things. The main advantage of living in a metro area left today, sports fan wise, is you can actually go to the games in person if you want.

Ideally every player would win the job in a fair competition. Beat out the guy in front of you. If you can. If XL is in front of a draft pick, the draft pick needs to beat him out. Whoever is in front of him. Should be the way of the world. Aside from that if they do want to trade XL they should give him a chance to rehabilitate his rep and up his value. Showcase. But then if he proves he is worth something you want to trade him away? I do no t think we would save all his guaranteed money, for one. Not sure though. And finally, today I posted about Bryce throwing it away on 4th down. It got me thinking of the mental stuff with XL. What Bryce did was just about as bad as XL’s mental lapses in terms of being ignorant. I bet there are some Bryce supporting XL haters here, that one is for you.

And don’t worry about Bryce he will be great… Peyton Manning had a horrible rookie year too

Nothing wrong with it at all until you start telling others they are bad fans or not fans. But you are the good fan because you never say negative stuff about the team. I did many years of that type of uninformed fanning because there really was no info and coverage like there is with the internet. I mean, I used to go to the store and get Street and Smith’s annual football issue. That was about the extent of what you could get if you didn’t live in a big city with sportswriters covering and reporting. There was no video to look at or replay the games and if you didn’t live in the market you could only rarely see your football team play. TI have fanned since being a kid in the early 1960s, and as late as 1995 - ‘97 I lived in Atlanta and good luck getting more than 3 or 4 games a year on TV. No radio either. No print coverage outside of an AP recap and box unless they played Atlanta. People today that have always had the network connection don’t know. I wasn’t very educated about the Panthers until I finally got internet.

Train them that hearing that keep pounding drum signals feeding time. And throw some meat it in the cage after every score.

Phillips is definitely a risk. But if he can stay healthy….

Me too. I don’t like to advertise it much but I played it for a living for a lot of years. Other music too, to make a living. If you could call it a living. We should talk sometime. Bet we know some of the same people if you played in NC. I am SC but used to play all over up there. Years ago.

First reaction is yeah Bryce processed the hell out of those 4th down throwaways. You have to go with big boy talent and try and work through the rest. Imagine if we had given Sam 4 years, 3 in the same system, with the same investment in his weapons and protection.

1000% with you there. Total buy in to that whole narrative by the majority.

I never thought a second look was even necessary. I was begging the football gods not to have us trade up to the 1st pick. And damn once we did it was a thoroughbred vs a little pony. If you have a perceived generational player in the pool and you have the 1st pick, you just don’t trade it. In the first place. But all this Bryce drama - which (understandably) takes over almost any thread, just like this one - would never have happened if the team was not sold to Tepper.

Didn’t even watch that game and all I needed was to look at CJ’s size, look at him throw with his footwork all refined.. toes pointed where he was throwing, great form, watch the flight of the ball.. And then do the same test with Bryce. Lol who in their right mind chooses Bryce?

You don’t even need 1b because Tepper is the only one foolish enough to wheel that deal. Player wise? Jake’s elbow. JR and Pep getting sideways, no Carruth, Cam’s shoulder, Luke’s concussions, it would be a long list of stuff. You can take it down to certain plays in games. Fox chasing 2 point conversions in the SB would be on my list. RMJr slipping at the end of that same game was not helpful. Every future first round pick we ever traded.

I have thought about that a lot over the years because I am a big JR fan. There was no clear succession and he was nearing the end health and age wise. Taking his team probably accelerated his decline. RIP JR. PS I guess I would have rather had him pick the buyer though, over globalist Goodell.

I think mine was easy: go back and have the guy from Charleston buy the team instead of Tepper. Navarro? Took about ten seconds of pondering to get to that answer. Some guys we passed up in the draft, some stuff with the Super Bowls, some injuries, probably many other things were pivotal but that to me is where things went to hell in a hand basket.

Yeah or some other ridiculous poo like that slapping contest they put on. I don’t know. I have been watching the NFL since the early 1960s and it won’t be easy but a man can only take so much foolishness.

I worked in music a little bit and a guy that would know said the same thing about Garth Brooks. That he treated his band and employees very well. That said, he was bad for country music IMO and Bryce is bad for the Panthers. I am sure he is a good guy (clearly) but we need a good guy with actual upper NFL level QBing skills.

Maybe some real ones like at the Roman Colosseum that pop up from under our end zone. On chains. Cross the goal line, I dare you.

Lol they would run him off now with the QB room stuff.

Are you a blues man?