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Brooks has a lot of talent. I doubt it is going disappear because he hasn’t gotten the reps. It depends on how close he comes back to pre injury form. And can he hold up. Of course everyone improves with experience and he is no different.

And you believe he could take a team to the Super Bowl because Darnold did, since Bryce measures up to Darnold’s talent level. I guess. Without some seriously freak occurrences - like multiple team plane crashes - I think we are safe from having regrets of that nature.

FYI for all: after the schedule release the Panthers were upgraded to 7.5 over/under win total. I haven’t seen that posted here Still bottom third I think

I am thinking I will regret asking but.,,, the stats are the stats; what facts are you talking about?

I don’t know about floor in a team defense sense but we needed more. The floor that I am familiar with is our QBs floor and it is so low that every other part of the team needs to be beefed up. We tried our best to improve these things and I think we did improve the defense and we at least kept the offense from sinking from no LT. And ostensibly helped the receivers too. So we kept a window open that we at least have a chance to improve our record by a game of two. Which would probably give us the division.

I don’t know about floor in a team defense sense but we needed more. The floor that I am familiar with is our QBs floor and it is so low that every other part of the team needs to be beefed up. We tried our best to improve these things and I think we did improve the defense and we at least kept the offense from sinking from no LT. And ostensibly helped the receivers too. So we kept a window open that we at least have a chance to improve our record by a game of two. Which would probably give us the division.

Yeah. I am one of. those who think a JAG RB can eat with really good blocking. (Brooks is most important in my mind, in tbe passing game and that is what we’ll lose without him) There are a lot of aspects to this. The big one that caused us to struggle is Young and his arm scared no one. Best back, best blocking still cannot defeat a really good defense if they are not forced to respect the pass. And teams did not. But, a strong OL and running game Can get us over against weaker defenses. And if Bryce still doesn’t scare anyone we can still win some games. Like last year So it is really important to tend to that OL. Get that straight and see if in his fourth year he can finally back defenses off. That is what if is all about this year to me, on the Bryce front.

We didn’t really have much of a choice, and were lucky to get Walker. And lucky to get Freeling too for that matter. People say Walker s a better pass than run blocker but I am not sure that means he upgrades Icky’s pass pro And my fairly critical view of what it will take to compete relies heavily on the run game being improved over last year. We weren’t that good after we got past the bad defenses. (And a lot of that was due to the QB not posing a big enough threat if they sold out foe the run. But it is what it is, we just have to be better) I think we need a Plus run game to compensate for other stuff. So I am rooting for Walker

Stats are overrated. Great example.

I wouldn’t want to pay Hurts or Purdy that kind of money. I surely would throw up if they gave that to Beyce. Honestly with me and Bryce it is more the time he is given than the money. Of course the money guarantees the time. I just in no way want to be handcuffed to him for another three years. Theoretically he could change that but theoretically Musk could colonize Mars. And I would give that better odds of happening.

I wouldn’t be opposed to Jenkins cheap but don’t want to give up Walker. Even if Freeling overtakes him early, we will end up needing him

Sure, he has better OL and better WR and a better defense and that helps a lot. Plus almost everyone improves with more reps and experience. Some of it is from that. Closely aligned to that is stability and consecutive years in the same system. Now to the not improved and likely never will improve stuff: he can’t see the field any better with experience. The arm is not going to give him any edge, quite the opposite. His disadvantages and narrow margins for error remain the same. You can’t fix that you have to live with it. I don’t want to. Never did.

Lol they are probably more grounded in reality. My issue with that is, they promised no more mediocrity. I am with you he needs to show out.

Kind of a hard one. If he actually did it once I still would need to see him do it again before I could trust it. It isn’t so much stats for me. It is do all the stuff he has been unable to do. He has yet to take over a game against a stout defense. Dictate to them. Impose our offense on them. I am sick of watching every defense cheat up and crowd us like they can do that with no fear of penalty. Show up every week and play at a high level. Not just a couple games and then back to being the little engine that can’t. Like someone said, be the reason we win and put some fear into defenses. His play vs LA needs to be the floor. Even better Go watch it again, he left a lot of meat on the bone. Basically make me an offer so good I can’t refuse it. Walk on water compared to what we have gotten from him so far. Otherwise let’s start over again and be smart about it this time. No midgets.

Another way to look at that. If we go QB in 2027 it means those people admit they fix a bad job in 2023. So maybe they won’t be so self assured

I know how you feel. I don’t know how I could manage to hang either if he doesn’t show a lot more and what comes from another bottom half of the league performance is they ties us to him again with another multi year commitment.

I didn’t realize that half written post made it to the board. Sorry. I was just saying there plenty of Bryce hype to go around after he made a good showing in the WC game. And wasn’t going to finish it to post it. Oops

Which is about his ceiling.

They picked it up. Maybe you meant to say extension?

If Moore had been given time and resources like Bryce has, he might have been pretty good.

I never saw anyone called racist for dogging Byron Bell. Or Nick Scott. Or Turk Wharton. Or Legette lol.

Ahh but there actually is, if you really want to buy some. Most people aren’t. Even the national press that was wagg

Yeah I never expected that bridge to be crossed this season. This offers me no real sigh of relief or anything like that I fhe earns it they will get that 2027 26.5 mil number down with an extension and if he doesn’t (and somehow they find their lost sanity) they will eat 26.5mil, probably spread out over 2 years.

Yeah this is why Freeling and Walker and we better hope Brooks is right. Because if you have Bryce at QB you better have a beyond solid OL and running game or you are dead in the water. I suppose Idzik could be some play calling prodigy and Bevell could help transform the passing game, in dream/fantasy land but we have three years of looking at practically the same thing. If you can see it and it happens, good for for you but I can’t see any kind of big jump coming from the QB position. A lot of little jump passes maybe lol.

There are stull concerns bud yes we did elevate our talent at least on the defense. And I guess the depth got better on offense with Freeling and Hect and Brazzell but I don’t see a lift there anywhere really other than maybe receiver. Bryce is Bryce. With a green OC and there will be a new dynamic there with Bevell too. I would think some change in the playbook maybe and some adjustment time maybe should be expected. And as much as we need to have a big running game, that room is iffy because of Brooks. We just don’t know. I am not unhappy with Chuba but not too impressed with him from last season. We are going t need Brooks to be right or Etienne best be ready for a load. Also it feels like maybe you are downplaying the other division teams a little much. More than me anyway.