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Same as here. He was never going to make it in the NFL with his limitations. Maybe he latches on as a backup somewhere. If he got really serious about his footwork and mechanics there is a slim chance he could do better. But he hasn’t been able to so far and changing that stuff and getting to where it comes without thinking, is just very difficult to do and takes years.

Morgan and Canales are in year two. I was referring to an arrangement made with them.

I look at like there could have been an agreement to give Bryce two years while they build the team out some more. Could have been three. He has 7 more games to change peoples’ minds and I know full well that a nice job and a win next week gets a lot of people back on his ‘side’. Some still are. They are just laying low around here today.

Yep to the condensed playing field we are working with. Defense has all kinds of advantages. Hia balls up the middle seem to have velocity if he is mechanically sound. But in general and especially the boundary stuff, he doesn’t have a lot zip. So one more advantage to coverage guys.

Hey I know I am mean lol. Just tired of this grind of going along with this years long thing that has never really been good. He is a good kid trying to make his dream. I would say he has had it. Hiesnam Trophy , number one overall in the NFL Draft, 2 plus years starting at QB in the NFL… he seriously overachieved for his size.

If I thought the league was crooked, and I might think that, yeah it had that feel to it. They tried their best. Anything more would be too overt, you can’t win them all.

The Panthers cutting Bryce would be a blip he isn’t winning for us. He just is there and makes some smallish contributions - when he isn’t hurting us.

He has such fuged up footwork and throwing mechanics, which he needs the footwork for drops and all but I am speaking of how it integrates into his throwing. One of the last straws with Reich was Tepper’s demanding g Reich fix his footwork that week. Lol. Reich was like it takes an off-season. So Canales worked on it pretty hard to start 2024 . I’ll just retell what I saw early 2024. You could see in the first real lion we hit which was the Buffalo preseason drive that he had, where his footwork was there. 123 plant drive off it to throw. You could see it. the season opener you could see it until the beginning of the 2nd qtr I think. Somewhere in there. Then he dropped it. Went back to the way he was in school and had always done it. That led to his benching. You can see it when he gets off the bench in the garbage time drives. He doesn’t make it a priority though. I got so tired of it that I went to radio this year. And watch the video a couple days later. I am burned out of monitoring his progress lately. so can’t help with this year but am betting it is about the same. Going by his results.

It was his mental mistakes though that made it so bad Which he should get poo for. Hel I was a big supporter but after that decided I don’t need to see him again. A game like today will soften that attitude some.

Can’t argue that. I generally cut him slack but that has been an area I have criticized since year one. Or had questions about. Early on when he was speaking.

I used to catch so much poo for predicting those throws would be vulnerable to guys closing on an open target. Just because the lower velocity. I never studied physics but that is common sense. Oh no, he throws with such anticipation they said. He has plenty of arm they said. blah blah blah

It may.be young guys he is referring to. Immature poo. We don’t know who though. Glad he said something publicly. A lot of the locking them in is on the position coaches afaic.

I never bought that Bryce was done when he was benched. It was too clean. As soon a they him in for garbage time it was apparent that he had a chance to work his way back in. I think it would have happened eventually, because I saw him demonstrate things he had not been doing - like the footwork was in his mind (a focus) and the stepping into his throws was prioritized. I was always watching for that stuff from him and his downfalls are accompanied by slackness in those areas. Every time. Hell I got so frustrated I quit coming here and quit watching with maybe three games left in the season. Stayed gone all summer and camp and all that. Something sucked me back in.. I hope he is gone when this year is over. So there can maybe be hope again. I hoped he could pick it up the last 9 games but he is just so bad when it is on him to carry the team and be that guy.

This all comes back to the player. Our QB is not good with play action. At all. I said before the game I wish we could run play action. It is the obvious counter to what they were doing to us. As far as the keep pounding for a yard strategy… The way it looked to me, we were 3 points down most of the game. We saw that as soon as we tried to open it up bad things happened. It seems to me that we should have gotten outside more, but I was doing radio and didn’t see the game to see how NO was playing things other than the absolutely predictable stacked LOS. I do t know what the answer was, but I know what it wasn’t and that was put it in Bryce’s hands unless we were desperate. This is what we are dealing with and maybe the silver lining is people that refused to see couldn’t help but see today. Maybe we can escape two more years of Bryce, or worse. Three.

Play calling being limited or dictated by personnel is really a thing, believe it or not. I imagine that bleeds into design as well.

We have made some progress in other areas. Kicking game is tightened up. Defense is tightened up. Despite the ups and downs there is promise there. T Mac is a major add. Or will prove to be, I expect. We are developing OL depth with a lot of reps and at this point give Nijman some more. Wallace seems to have gotten better over the season and may not be the bust I thought he looked like last year. The draft class as a whole looks very promising. That’s about all the optimism I can muster tonight.

As soon as play calling comes into it, Bryce comes into it. Just the way it is.

That part right there, I question. I think it was one game where Bryce totally clipboarded, and then he got 4th qtr garbage reps. To me that indicated they had not given up on him and were trying to rehab him enough to get him back in the saddle. (which totally depressed me because I wanted him out for good). It’s all speculation just stating mine.

https://tenor.com/view/mark-cooper-jones-jay-foreman-map-men-grave-inhumation-gif-13298387559146904695 I guess I don’t know how to embed a gif. It is a guy digging a grave.

I mean we would have needed to hold them to two FGs tops to win the game. 17 points isn’t bad and is only maybe a point or so over their season average. The failure was on offense. Something like 4 straight 3 and outs, but we were still in a tight game. Canales knew what a gamble it would be to start relying on Bryce throwing the ball and stalled as long as he could. His fears were realized as soon as the cuffs came off Bryce’s lil old wrists.

okay this is all messed up. I had the Frank quote here and didn’t see it. So disregard the Frank quote above.. my bad. My reply was intended to respond to ProcessBlue2 and the ‘Tepper seeing it’ angle. Reply starts here: I’ll be needing to see proof of that. Meaning Tepper. As far as the Dan being responsible that people are saying, I look at the situation as being like The Shawshank Redemption. The Bryce Young Redemption. His dream job can be his, but he has to serve his time in the Young cellblock. Go through a river of poo and hope he can make it to the other side. I believe he had conditions placed on his promotion and is fulfilling them and trying to navigate his way out of it while remaining employed. I have no proof but that is what I choose to believe. As opposed to Dan is an idiot that looked at Young and sees him as his ticket to success.

That may be what it takes to convince ownership. Nothing else has.

Would you have promised you could fix him? To get the job and the money? Or would your rep maybe be more important to you. Arguing this elsewhere and I feel like, based on how I operate which might be my big mistake, but I would be honest and say I don’t know if he can be fixed, but I have plan to try that has brought me success. I do have to say, it is a very challenging proposition because of his poor mechanics and his size. Here is all you can really do… and proceed to tell what I would try to do. My question to you (meaning to Tepper) is if it fails do I lose my job or do I get a chance to prove myself with someone of my choosing?

Nope already taking enough abuse. Knowing it, won’t change anything in relation to if you agree or don’t. Damage is done already. Like this whole long miserable process, we have to let it play out.

We were locked into wasting this season when we drafted him. And many of us knew that at the time, I have been in deep football depression the whole time. We just threw so much away.