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It was bad enough that an all time bad QB performance was excused by it. I think they will address C adequately, and am more worried about LOT.

Who calls it a strong C draft? I heard the opposite so curious. I can’t cite a source and you don’t have t just asking if there is one or if that is your opinion. I do think that if teams get Mayes and stick him in between weak guards they may regret it. And think ours will benefit a guy.

Technically Young was 8-8 regular season. 8-9 overall. List games he carried the team please. I’ll give him a couple. Top of my head… Yardage record vs Atlanta, played well vs Dallas. IIRC, 4 qtrs of good play which was almost a career 1st. Some spurts in the second half - vs LA Rams comes to mind. Played well in the WC game. Whole team did. Failed at the end. Laid a lot of eggs too. You don’t get a great record after a loss unless you have a lot of losses. Jags, Cards - sorry most of that 2nd half was Cards prevent (like we use to do in 2015 - go up big fast and slack off let them back in, have to turn it on again at the end) Jets Saints Saints 9ers Seahawks On the fence Re Green Bay due to the wind and the strategy employed but he was not great there.

Well, we will see. I would almost guarantee he will not be signing with the Panthers. Opinion. For discussion, what impressive vets? Cousins? Rodgers? People would have to trade for Mac Jones. Daniel Jones… Achilles? That is a scary thing. I read some speculation on Stroud maybe moving on because Houston loves their backup. Long shot. Bears holding onto Bagent, Johnson loves him. Tua for a starting job somewhere? I’d rather try Willis. Surely I have missed a couple of guys. There is talk about David Carr coming back.

That would be the definition of pushing Young. Which I have thought we have needed to do since day one. I wanted him to have to beat someone out. Even a token guy, just beat someone out and give the appearance you earned the job.

It isn’t my money and I want ‘that guy’ at LB again. So I won’t complain unless he gets paid and sucks. my big things this year are LOT and T in general, and ILB. C is close behind. def agree with your first paragraph in particular, Bear Hands.

Lol well here we go again. Mine lasted maybe a year and I found out I was the other man lol. It was like when these guys have two families. I never snuck around, had no idea. Can’t trust HR. I wasn’t looking at any future settling down in those years or it might have really messed me up. The real loss was ironically I had decided to try and be faithful in this relationship because I had not been that guy in the past… and turned down a few really nice opportunities. I can’t tell you the amount of willpower in the moment that took. Lol my timing sucks sometimes.

I made a promise to myself and kept it… figured if Bryce got no blame for his horrendous year one it was fair for all. Free year one for Dan and Canales. Learning on the job year. Then on the clock. So I never stressed too much over their errors in year one. This will be a big year for both of them.

wow lol. I wasn’t a frequent visitor during all the Fitterer years but I remember him arguing for Gettleman at the mention of GM (didn’t even need to say his name), even after he was gone. Someone said he was kicked off. Suspended, banned… I missed whatever drama led to that.

Well, we’ve been, or I should say Bryce has been, real lucky with the injury thing. We had better put something behind him. Edit: also, I guess my point was WIllis will be able to get, at minimum, assurances of an open competition. I don’t think he needs to settle for less.

I didn’t miss much then did I? I’ll tell you though, some of my jobs, I probably could have used them with some shitty bosses. or a union rep.

I dated a girl from HR in the ‘80s. Had no idea what it was even after she tried to explain it to me lol. I fired a guy once that had had two major label record deals. Lol. it was a strange feeling. I know a guy who has been in that position and done the same thing to a player in a band I worshipped. Still love them. You would know them. It was from a side thing not that band. He told me the story about it though. The guy in my story was great. Still is. He was just a bit redundant after they cut our pay at a full time job and had irritated me over something at the time so I kept his counterpart.

Well, I have counted him out. He is out of our financial league. We are not in the mode of overtly challenging Bryce and he is going to, at the minimum, get assurances of competing for the starting job. And more money than what I think we have in mind. Would I personally do it and have an open competition? Been advocating for that since Bryce came here. He never had to beat anyone out, and talking about my code in the the other thread? I like having a code for starting jobs too. Competition. edit: I am sure there are other suitable potential destinations but Minnesota stands out to me as a good spot for him. Same division, possibly hot seat coach due to QB questions, good roster overall.

Yeah I haven’t looked deeply at it either. There isn’t much in the way of obvious diamonds in the rough among the usual listed suspects. Past Mac Jones and Daniel Jones, a bunch of meh. And I am not in on either. Daniel Jones was gonna be a bargain last year.

I get that, and it is part of todays world. I have never had to deal with HRs being a self employed or hired by another independent self employed type. Even when I worked for corporate entities, it was independent contractor. Dealt with one guy. I respect tell me to my face. In person not over the phone or in a text. (Any business of that type I talk, I go the extra mile to do it face to face). It’s just my code.

He made it easy for me One of those songs that writes itself.

My radar is up on Tua if released because Bevell was just there. I am not rooting for it, just observing. I see no path for Murray and I am not sure I want there to be. call me crazy but Levis still intrigues me. The big problem with him was the back breaking totally boneheaded play, after showing pretty well for 3 quarters. He has size, mobility, and a great arm. If he could be broken of that you might have something. Plus we have become pretty adept at hiding flaws. I am not thinking he is getting that 5th year picked up lol. He could be had cheap. Maybe even in a player swap.

Yeah that is true. And maybe a two year defacto commitment would cover us if we drafted and developed a couple in the next couple of years. If this guy is the prize of the LB class he won’t have to settle for a glorified prove it deal. edit: as much as I want That Guy we are in a position where a no doubt starter level player would be a big improvement. So maybe we don’t have to have the big dog.

That’s definitely possible. I just hold to traditional job and feel like no matter how distasteful you may find the task, it falls to you as the coach to at least go through the motions. I think he texted him. I hate that.

I would feel warm inside if they actually addressed the QB position. At the same time let’s be realistic, they are starting Bryce. Spending too much draft capital on a backup can get in line behind more pressing needs.

Uhh, yeah that is pretty steep. Here is where I am going to say Dan will be an asset. He will know if we can get by with a little less for a lot less. My ideal would be get a good bona fide pro level starter and shoot for the all pro or pro bowl guy in the draft.

I don’t know how big any lies may be. There is clearly apparent viewpoint bias for sure. But even when people stretch and bend the truth, there is still a truth component somewhere in there. I believe him when he says Ron ducked it for instance. (That would not have been a pleasant experience). In the end you can’t cheat on your wife, and everybody knows it, and claim to be 100% honest. Edit: would I believe that maybe he said something to Ron that sort of gave him the green light to stay out of it? Could be and he is leaving that out.

What do you think Lloyd’s price will be?

Hope it works that way. An ancillary benefit of having so many holes.

I made the point it was one side of the story. But what he said about Gettleman, the chronology, seemed pretty accurate. What I remember is Smitty’s contract was prohibitively expensive due to its structure and he would not renegotiate. Sort of forced their hand because it was a very high figure for the era. That could tie in with him wanting out. I remember I pointed that out but people didn’t want to hear that at the time. I don’t blame them, Smitty was probably my favorite Panther I ever watched play, again… at the time. He might still be if I went back and watched. My thing with it is mostly Gettleman dropping the bomb at the combine. It foreshadowed his Norman melt down, Mr Tact.