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Well that's it. You can't really fit him in the trading away good players bin because he isn't our player in the future. 10 games of a guy that doesn't want to be here anymore is what we'd be trading. Do I wish it had been a better outcome where we'd be keeping him? Yeah but if he is copping the 'tude you have to move him out, almost like Robbie got moved.

When I used the word "gutted", if I did, it is in the context of a longer term neglect. Without adding in the money freed up by not spending on Burns, without counting sending DJ Moore off for offense (? made no sense), traded Dante Jackson for offense, all that stuff... just looking at three years of draft picks plus one still to be paid 2nd round for 2025, I am putting the tally below. What is very glaring is that in the last three years the highest draft pick used on defense is #70 of 2022 which was traded for a defensive player (CJ Henderson). After that, you have #72 for Wallace, #76 and #80 which went for another defensive player (Gilmore) and a defensive draft pick (DJ Johnson). THAT IS IT IN 3 YEARS. #70, #72, #76, #80 Big whoop. Wait and add up everything that went offense draft wise. It is no wonder why the defense is hurting. 2022 #6 Icky #38 Darnold #70 CJ Henderson 2023 #9 Bryce Young #39 Mingo #61 Bryce Young #76 S Gilmore #80 DJ Johnson 2024 #1 Bryce Young #32 X Legette #46 Brooks #72 Wallace #101 Sanders 2025 #1? #33 Bryce Young Those defensive picks add up to 254 points or something on the trade value chart. May run out of edit time trying to add the totals for those offensive picks, but it will be WELL over 10 times that when all is calculated.

I mean, if you DO want a rookie QB for your very own and want the top one or two then yeah you probably won't have the top pick again in 2026. I am not saying I want that, just agreeing that you take one when you have the best shot at one rather than waiting.

I agree I think he is gone. The transaction clock for the week starts after the MNF ends and that would be a time to do it.

The defense is why we won't win. They are why we did win last year. (even just those two)

Watch him sign to play there. Horn is competing hard, I have no problem with him really.

Cool. Welcome to a young fan. I would say that the '01 team was much better than what we are watching. That team went weeks snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Losing heartbreaking ways, just finding a way to fug it up somehow. Seems like anyway, that was a long time ago. Eventually that losing took its toll and by year's end they were just bad and wanted it to be over probably. 2010 was just strange and not good and a lot was due to external stuff, Fox wasn't getting his extension and was a lame duck HC, the owner was embroiled in labor dispute type stuff with a collective bargaining impasse leading to an uncapped year where it was the wild west contract wise, across the league, and JR just wouldn't play that game. It was a weird convergence of circumstances that were going on. This is just so bad and we are so deep into it because of the investment made, and the impact that had on assembling decent players... Chicago is mostly building with our materials now, the defense was pawned in order to buy more help for the offense and without the injuries was going to struggle. it is just probably the lowest time in Panthers history.

If he is worth anything at all, before he went for the interview.

Two years almost of stressing over the idiot plan to take Bryce Young and make him successful.... I have a real short fuse anymore. There is no plan to advance the team this year without Bryce being the central part of it. Never was. That failed and people hate watching it. The QB whisperer stuff is media created in the first place. This narrative that he was primarily hired to fix Bryce... you have to believe he was fixable to really buy into that. He isn't. But any one coming had to play along. Anyone. As far as Canales, he has never fixed a rookie type anyway but people make that the focus. He worked Baker with a few years in already and actual skins on the wall. Puny skin but still he had put that on the record. In the NFL. Geno, was definitely not a rookie. That is actually where Canales has a track record, such as it is. So I mean, it isn't just a one dimensional proposition of fix Bryce. Shouldn't have been. There had to be, in the hiring process - in any rational mind, a thought to Bryce not being fixable. Because he isn't. And what comes next. Who is the next Baker or Geno. And that is where we are. I hope. Otherwise we get more dysfunction and turmoil. fug that. He had the balls to sit little man down in the first place and I appreciate that.

That is true, and especially reasonable if you psychobabble. And I would buy it because I feel like he knows he can't cut it right up like he always has before, and that is what really has him 'ruined'.

Okay you want me to make sense you have to back way up. I am a defensive run the ball do play action type. I don't need fancy. I like the pocket king type guys and even better if they can expand from there. Much better. I'm supposed to lie and say oh yeah he has the bona fides and is a QB whisperer? Because we all know his history and it is a reach. He has whispered a couple of guys and done okay. None named Bryce and none that were rookies. My only thing is, no one else worked. The QB is a trainwreck and to blame this guy for that ignores the remedial (good) work he did with his mechanics. The evidence is there on that. Clearly there. I have not looked at a replay to check Young's actual mechanics; I expected to see better than when he last started a game. But they ran so much today and jumped him out by design and that isn't what I wanted to look at and just watching the game in real time you know... I didn't get to that level. But that is really it I guess, the level of Canales' involvement with Young and in the context of trying to look after an entire team - which he only had to do an offense once.. no doubt this is a jump. A leap. But you can look for signs that people are doing something ( I see things). And if you felt like the 2023 issue was more than a one year fix then you maybe need to give it more than one year. Get someone in place. Chuck Noll was somebody's coordinator. Madden was Al Davis' OL coach r something. Use Canales to head things up while you look for the guy you want, if it has to be that way. Just stop with the constant instability.

I am hitting this again before falling out. He does not do things like everyone else. I like that. I admire people that operate that way. I feel like it shows a lot of self confidence and don't think it is being done without something behind it, just to be different. Innovators are always questioned. And they were all unknown or unacknowledged as such, before they got that 'title'. They probably failed at first. Not even probably... they did. I am only making note of the difference in approach, it doesn't confirm the validity of it or that it will prove to be innovative. But I like the mindset like I tried to say. I hate to see the tar and feathers come out so joyously.

You started off spelling 'descent' correctly which was a strong sign... excellent post that I enjoyed reading. Lot of truth. That is our nature though, to want to fix things. And they could use some fixing. descent is always decent or desent these days.... I miss literacy.

Man I have some Don Rickles worthy cracks for some of this poo but will pass and try to be nice. In general, jumping on firing people because they can't turn piss into lemonade is really getting old. Same thing happened to Reich last year. If you couldn't tell that that mess was not his preferred recipe, you are part of the problem.

The Bryce Young pick has fuged things up beyond my imagination. They do that burn it down poo with the staff and front office again, good luck to y'all I am fuging tired of this.

It could be. I mean, start Bryce at home again and see how that goes. Give up 47 or something at home in that scenario and see how things go. The fans in the stadium do have some influence.

I am not sold that we go Qb in the draft up top. Just because we need so much for one thing, and there is no real clear savior at QB so far as I can see in October of their season. To be fair I haven't even looked semi seriously at it. All I am capable is semi. But also I think Canales skill set suits a vet QB better, and in lieu of an overwhelming option in the draft let's just pick some talent there. Preferably defense. The thought that these guys can at least identify a UDFA that could make it helps me envision someone like - I shouldn't even say a Smitty - but someone good that can translate to the league that is still on the board in the 3rd or very early in the 4th round.

This is the worst. Last year maybe was even worse overall, but we lost so many this season it just is hard to compare. Losing Derrick Brown was such a killer. They had pinned most hopes on him being able to anchor a lesser group.

It they had been able to stay healthy on offense and get some continuity built it would have shown better but it is really not a bad bunch to stick a capable QB behind. The price was trashing the defense. Or finishing the trashing because they have been neglected for two years.

It seems to be why we hired Canales in the first place. But no one - not involved - in choosing Bryce Young with the overall top pick of all players in the draft pool, should have his fate tied to Bryce's fate. That is just completely unfair. I know it probably has already happened but still.

I would 'so' love to hear Reich's version of the truth.

It's not that late? Heck I didn't crack a beer open until 9:30. PM.

Okay I made it until Haener (sp?) came in. Didn't watch him but don't see how he could do much better with what he is working within. Rattler was taken where Bryce should have been taken. Further, it seems clear to me that if you had put Bryce on South Carolina he'd have been lucky to have been drafted at all. They are some combination of our 2023 and 2024 OL. Mostly 2023. They are a train wreck. Just, very little protection, lots of pressure, chaos, plenty of behind the sticks because someone held or did a FS or something. Or just couldn't keep the defense from overrunning the play. A lot of designed rollout to preemptively escape the pressure (which I sort of really don't like having to do). I'd take what I saw over Young all day long.

I am looking at that game now just starting. And only posting because man the NFL has really fuged things up. A safety no longer is a free kick like it used to be it is some bastardization of these new kickoff rules. You young guys don't know what you missed out on.

Yo guys (okay that is wrong, I shouldn't include you I don't know your position on it, I should have said "people") are looking at it like nothing changed between the recent WR flop picks and this year's WR picks. It is the people doing the picking that make the difference. Despite being much maligned for the team's record this year the boss of the team and his right hand man on offense have a history and background with WRs that started before QBs. And a GM that is a defensive guy and would not override them. I don't think. Scouting does a function but they don't decide things.