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The sad part is after they trashed Stroud on the S2 score, I didn’t know anything really but said okay fine, whatever. Take AR take Levis, that’s how bad I did not want Young. Those guys were huge gambles but I didn’t see Young as a gamble at all, I saw him as a sure failure. So it truly was anybody but… and it looks like that would have failed too. I just really did not want them to trade up like that in the first place. Stroud looked really good but it IS still not a sure thing, you don’t know even with the ones that look good, until they get in the fire.

Did you observe Thielen and Johnson both the last game Bryce was on the field with them at the same time? They wanted him gone but go ahead and keep riding your Bryceness.

I listened to some of that garbage. Not much, because I judged it as such. It supposedly came from another jock. DJ whatever they call radio people nowadays. Saying that is why Young is not doing well really ought to play perfectly for a few people around here but it is total horse sh t imo, as far as being some real scenario. That is crazy talk really. Might get him on a show with Riddick and Rex Ryan though, plays right into their viewpoints.

I am sort of gratified to see Christensen grade so poorly because I have not been impressed like others say they are. And Wallace, I liked the pick but I have lost faith that he will be anything. Slow, non instinctive, and that fumble he “caused”, he was standing there and the guy had his arms extended and rammed the ball into Wallace’s shin and it came out. Look what I found. And he wasn’t saddled with the green dot Sunday so I was watching for him a lot to see if he was any better without worrying with it. Not that I noticed.

I don’t mind Horn bristling over it or Franklin. They need to get mad. Far as running up scores, tables turn. You have to be able to take it like you serve it. It is on the Panthers to make that happen. To serve it.

It looked just like they plain didn’t want to push the little fellow too hard with the competition. If that isn’t it, it is a great cover story for whatever they were doing.

If this is where people get their stuff from for here I get it.

Thanks. I wasn't taking it like that I just wanted to clarify and to get that list in play so people can see exactly what the scoop is and why things have regressed so bad over there on that side. It is a stark contrast. The only way I can even accept it is if this was a two year plan and the defense is coming but I still didn't like it. Too much imbalance.

I don't think it is really going that great with Christensen at C. They aren't in synch, and really haven't gotten in synch all year as far as I can tell. I am not happy with Icky to be honest. Okay at best to me. Not having Tremble has hurt too, I think they were counting on more from him. But this is about when I was expecting to see things come together better, halfway through the first year. Not quite sure why they can't get a tough yard when they have to. Maybe it will start to bear fruit.

Yeah. On both. For sure. I'd tell him to not worry about spending any more time on Bryce too. Just learn your job.

Yeah, I won't be arguing with you guys over this. Not sure what would ever make y'all happy short of getting Cam back.

Well that's it. You can't really fit him in the trading away good players bin because he isn't our player in the future. 10 games of a guy that doesn't want to be here anymore is what we'd be trading. Do I wish it had been a better outcome where we'd be keeping him? Yeah but if he is copping the 'tude you have to move him out, almost like Robbie got moved.

When I used the word "gutted", if I did, it is in the context of a longer term neglect. Without adding in the money freed up by not spending on Burns, without counting sending DJ Moore off for offense (? made no sense), traded Dante Jackson for offense, all that stuff... just looking at three years of draft picks plus one still to be paid 2nd round for 2025, I am putting the tally below. What is very glaring is that in the last three years the highest draft pick used on defense is #70 of 2022 which was traded for a defensive player (CJ Henderson). After that, you have #72 for Wallace, #76 and #80 which went for another defensive player (Gilmore) and a defensive draft pick (DJ Johnson). THAT IS IT IN 3 YEARS. #70, #72, #76, #80 Big whoop. Wait and add up everything that went offense draft wise. It is no wonder why the defense is hurting. 2022 #6 Icky #38 Darnold #70 CJ Henderson 2023 #9 Bryce Young #39 Mingo #61 Bryce Young #76 S Gilmore #80 DJ Johnson 2024 #1 Bryce Young #32 X Legette #46 Brooks #72 Wallace #101 Sanders 2025 #1? #33 Bryce Young Those defensive picks add up to 254 points or something on the trade value chart. May run out of edit time trying to add the totals for those offensive picks, but it will be WELL over 10 times that when all is calculated.

I mean, if you DO want a rookie QB for your very own and want the top one or two then yeah you probably won't have the top pick again in 2026. I am not saying I want that, just agreeing that you take one when you have the best shot at one rather than waiting.

I agree I think he is gone. The transaction clock for the week starts after the MNF ends and that would be a time to do it.

The defense is why we won't win. They are why we did win last year. (even just those two)

Watch him sign to play there. Horn is competing hard, I have no problem with him really.

Cool. Welcome to a young fan. I would say that the '01 team was much better than what we are watching. That team went weeks snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Losing heartbreaking ways, just finding a way to fug it up somehow. Seems like anyway, that was a long time ago. Eventually that losing took its toll and by year's end they were just bad and wanted it to be over probably. 2010 was just strange and not good and a lot was due to external stuff, Fox wasn't getting his extension and was a lame duck HC, the owner was embroiled in labor dispute type stuff with a collective bargaining impasse leading to an uncapped year where it was the wild west contract wise, across the league, and JR just wouldn't play that game. It was a weird convergence of circumstances that were going on. This is just so bad and we are so deep into it because of the investment made, and the impact that had on assembling decent players... Chicago is mostly building with our materials now, the defense was pawned in order to buy more help for the offense and without the injuries was going to struggle. it is just probably the lowest time in Panthers history.

If he is worth anything at all, before he went for the interview.

Two years almost of stressing over the idiot plan to take Bryce Young and make him successful.... I have a real short fuse anymore. There is no plan to advance the team this year without Bryce being the central part of it. Never was. That failed and people hate watching it. The QB whisperer stuff is media created in the first place. This narrative that he was primarily hired to fix Bryce... you have to believe he was fixable to really buy into that. He isn't. But any one coming had to play along. Anyone. As far as Canales, he has never fixed a rookie type anyway but people make that the focus. He worked Baker with a few years in already and actual skins on the wall. Puny skin but still he had put that on the record. In the NFL. Geno, was definitely not a rookie. That is actually where Canales has a track record, such as it is. So I mean, it isn't just a one dimensional proposition of fix Bryce. Shouldn't have been. There had to be, in the hiring process - in any rational mind, a thought to Bryce not being fixable. Because he isn't. And what comes next. Who is the next Baker or Geno. And that is where we are. I hope. Otherwise we get more dysfunction and turmoil. fug that. He had the balls to sit little man down in the first place and I appreciate that.

That is true, and especially reasonable if you psychobabble. And I would buy it because I feel like he knows he can't cut it right up like he always has before, and that is what really has him 'ruined'.

Okay you want me to make sense you have to back way up. I am a defensive run the ball do play action type. I don't need fancy. I like the pocket king type guys and even better if they can expand from there. Much better. I'm supposed to lie and say oh yeah he has the bona fides and is a QB whisperer? Because we all know his history and it is a reach. He has whispered a couple of guys and done okay. None named Bryce and none that were rookies. My only thing is, no one else worked. The QB is a trainwreck and to blame this guy for that ignores the remedial (good) work he did with his mechanics. The evidence is there on that. Clearly there. I have not looked at a replay to check Young's actual mechanics; I expected to see better than when he last started a game. But they ran so much today and jumped him out by design and that isn't what I wanted to look at and just watching the game in real time you know... I didn't get to that level. But that is really it I guess, the level of Canales' involvement with Young and in the context of trying to look after an entire team - which he only had to do an offense once.. no doubt this is a jump. A leap. But you can look for signs that people are doing something ( I see things). And if you felt like the 2023 issue was more than a one year fix then you maybe need to give it more than one year. Get someone in place. Chuck Noll was somebody's coordinator. Madden was Al Davis' OL coach r something. Use Canales to head things up while you look for the guy you want, if it has to be that way. Just stop with the constant instability.

I am hitting this again before falling out. He does not do things like everyone else. I like that. I admire people that operate that way. I feel like it shows a lot of self confidence and don't think it is being done without something behind it, just to be different. Innovators are always questioned. And they were all unknown or unacknowledged as such, before they got that 'title'. They probably failed at first. Not even probably... they did. I am only making note of the difference in approach, it doesn't confirm the validity of it or that it will prove to be innovative. But I like the mindset like I tried to say. I hate to see the tar and feathers come out so joyously.

You started off spelling 'descent' correctly which was a strong sign... excellent post that I enjoyed reading. Lot of truth. That is our nature though, to want to fix things. And they could use some fixing. descent is always decent or desent these days.... I miss literacy.

Man I have some Don Rickles worthy cracks for some of this poo but will pass and try to be nice. In general, jumping on firing people because they can't turn piss into lemonade is really getting old. Same thing happened to Reich last year. If you couldn't tell that that mess was not his preferred recipe, you are part of the problem.