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So much evidence that has zero to do with the OL and WRs and play calling and a dozen other excuses. You don’t even need to see him play, if you just go by what they did, you are illuminated. People don’t resort to these measures when there are no issues.

True Bryce Young highlights there. You can focus on the OL or a drop or what you perceive to be no separation, but what hits me first is the lackadaisical totally no urgency drop back posture. It’s freaking horrible. I am gonna need Frank to speak before any sense can be made of it. What I saw was a totally beaten man who wasn’t trying to win football games. I think what beat him was the task of fixing that horrible draft pick. He wanted to bench him. That is what Seattle was. Just seems like arguing with whichever fresh Bryce stan that is inspired to do battle on his behalf, using the same arguments that have rebutted, I have been down that road. I appreciate you guys trying to explain it to people who won’t have any of it and won’t even look at what you are saying. There is so much denial being thrown around, all of this Bryce “YES HE IS TOO!!!!! indignation, but it doesn’t change what is and what is not. Far as Canales, he has to do his due diligence. As a coach. As the leader of the team. It is the right thing to do it is the safe thing for his job in any season. And I hope at some point the idea of competition and the best player for the job, work their way back into the culture over there. It is gone from the building regarding the QB position. Sadly. But for now he has 2.7 and two big ass guards. And a QB with a noodle and the worst footwork I have ever seen. And he has to make an offense out of it. 1st thing is get the throwing motion defined. He knows better than to try and reprogram that footwork. Too big a job, and would fail. Never been done on that level. I mean, have you looked at it? It will be done by demanding results along a timeline. On this spot at this time. Ball out by this time. How he gets there really won’t matter. If he can’t do it, maybe Canales gets a chance to work with a player who is capable. And we aren’t held hostage by this ... whatever he is. I still; want to know the same things I did before the picked him: how will he do when he doesn’t get a runway to launch his deep ball? Show me he can do that. If you cannot, you are Super Limited. Period.

Please no. We have enough bull here already.

We know where they are if we want to read their propaganda.

No. Edge is a higher priority at that point. I think. I could see going WR if the WR is that much stronger than the edge but we need an edge bad.

I don’t hate him as much as a lot of people do. Wasn’t itching to get rid of him, and at the same time not believing he should be highly paid. Something had to give.

We always will need to use the Tepper Curve. A knack for knowing what narrative the owner is dining on will take you far. I grade this one highly. That’s on The Curve. Here’s you Tepper Curve: edge, wr. Which is the Same poo as last year. Exactly.The.Same.

Something tells me that does happen.

-5 to +15 yards past the LOS is where Young will probably live (or die). I consider finding players who can consistently win a contested catch battle to be super highly important because the deep ball range isn’t gonna be so deep. Winning a race downfield probably puts the defender closer to where ball ends up and you are gonna need that ability to succeed. I don’t see long striders as valuable to us, at all. In 2.7 or less, speed probably won’t do as much as grip strength, which is a weird thing. We are not on well trodden ground here.

The Panthers need Bryce to have competition. For a few reasons. He has not been the best QB on thew roster and it isn’t even close. He needs to prove he can beat someone, for real

Rattler.

Pessimism is not blind and starts at 5’9. It moves on to that arm, that cannot get any juice on a football unless he has a runway to put his who body into the throw. You might get 45 air yards maybe, if he has that opportunity. Why do you want to deal with that when you have the top pick? Tell you what you won't get: flick that wrist like a pro and the ball is flying on a shallow trajectory 30-40-50 yards and when they put their body onto it, a sight more than your boy.

We better hope it was all Fitterer.

If you are saying, in all that, that Canales if going to do vanilla run based that doesn’t account for this QBs special needs, then I am disagreeing.

What do you think they are doing?

IMO the Bryce bar is really low. But Canales couldn’t have gotten hired not being behind Bryce Young; there is no reason to hope for competition this year. Theoretically though, not talking starters only. Probably half the backups (could beat him out) too. It doesn’t validate anything other than he is one notch higher than Bryce. Then you still have a guy you have to decide on fast because of that contract. Won’t be cheap. So if he doesn’t truly light it up, you back in the land of lukewarm conviction.

DJ Johnson needs to step to it on that potential. Any TE. Both new guards. Sanders doing anything would be nice.

Bro, navy, you can’t possibly be looking at him ‘slinging’ it and seeing a good arm. making one or two throw types NFL caliber, is not NFL arm. It might be part NFL. Nfl. The thing is, they are going to hide him, and not ask him to make certain throws. So we won’t see evidence of his shortcomings. Which is what they should do.. Let’s see how that plays out.

People saying he never had anybody open... not true. That he saw them? I think he missed a lot. That isn’t really my issue with him, that happens to everybody, that is more with his defenders. I think there is NFL open, that people aren’t looking at that and they are cherrypicking plays where people aren’t open, or aren’t obviously open. There are lots of plays where guys were covered too, yes. I don’t think that is uncommon in the NFL. Seen it many times.

Well I flat out don’t think he does have a good enough arm. There is not a thing I have seen from him that makes that sound ridiculous. It would be ridiculous if there were no evidence that it’s true. I don’t see him as having proven otherwise in 16 NFL games. For me, I cannot at all understand what you think he will be top ten at. That is actually a bit ridiculous sounding to me, no joke. But there is probably some stat he can put up that makes it. I think he is obviously limited and the scheme will be limited to match. In writing. The more defenses can shrink the area they believe they have to defend, the more congested ands harder it will get. I don’t see him getting them to back off. Unless somehow he gets Russell Wilson's luck and WRs on his rainbow deep balls. What is going to happen is they will hide him and ask much less of him, mostly so he can succeed at something and get his mind right. They hope. Canales has already said. Going point guard in the half court as long as they can. If they can. The should be able to run on most people now, the backs jobs just got a lot easier. It was a pretty major OL move of course people feel it was almost an above and beyond overreaction but I like OL, no complaints. So they will possibly get him to look good enough justify them not replacing him. But that’s the ceiling as I see it. Thanks to the internet I know Bill Walsh said you know by 24 games maybe it was 25 games. That you may know sooner but you will for sure know by then. One way or the other. My biggest worry is that if he hasn’t improved significantly by then, IOW has not proven it by then, that people won’t pull the plug and move on.

There you go. Making a fair point (although based on a questionable hypothesis, top 10? At what?). If he doesn’t do that you will look... wrong. So that is fair. But then you go personal and insulting. Most of you Bryce people do that, keep those standards up yo. And I know it was over Gerber, but he didn’t call You Gerber.

Oh come on. You have never called a guy a turnstile or worse and denigrated him with glee whenever he affirmed your evaluation ? I HATE the following term in reference to a guy that may be short on ability, it is as bad a term as there is IMO. But it is used ALL the time around here. Ever referred nto a player or coach as garbage? Trash? If someone had a wife that you didn’t like, would you joke in poor taste? The current Tepper wife comes to mind. This is a bunch of double standard for a lot of people who all of a sudden protectors of the slandered sports disappointments. As far as I am concerned my humor is gallows humor more or less. I feel like we enduring a punishment.

But it’s his fault that there is a Bryce Young. now I have to ruin it by saying that was a joke because people have no sense of humor. edit: I don’t mind Legette. At all. Possession is 9/10 of the law. Come down with that floater.

The only exceptional quality he has is something we can’t see. Maybe Tepper needs to fit his helmet with sensors and put it on the big screen. Here we are on the typical 3rd and 16, watch him figure his way out of this mess!

It’s Sunday. Preach it. I couldn’t express it that well.