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It depends on how far you have to move back. 39 isn’t a bad slot.

You only trade if someone will over pay.

I didn’t watch the game live didn’t much care about it (and don’t know what he did in the game) but Kelce has been a guy no one had an answer for in the playoffs. For years now.

That is what I was thinking of. All anybody can do is assume what happened with that. Only two guys know.

If he was truly quitting people woiuld know and there wouldn’t be any hope in my mind. I am not arguing to keep a guy that gives sub par effort. I am no fan boy of them. I would guess Morgan can suss that all out pretty easily. And reliably. Now, if this criticism is because they screwed up a route or timing or whatever which I seem to remember people saying he quit on a route. No fan just watching knows about that stuff, what the real reason is. Who quit, who was on trhe wropng page, etc. Damn. Go back and look at the 2nd Atl pick Young threw, and look at the wide open man running free down the left side. Got nothing to do with it except to maybe refute that it is all on crappy WRs. Or OL.

It isn’t like trying to upgrade starters on a playoff team, they should get 3 players who can be upgrades. 33 may as well be a 1st and 39... both should provide help.

I seem to remember TMJ having a good game or part of one, and Reich highlighted that, and the next week forgot to get him in the game. That was TMJ right? And Lavishka, same type of deal.

No he is not being blamed for the last two seasons but you really cannot excuse Young’s effect last year. I know you want to, so you do.

Yeah I don’t know how you evaluate anyone with Bryce Young running their offense. I say ease up on thinking we need to totally replace the WR corp with this knee jerk they can’t get open because it is not college open. Get another one in the draft and throw them all out there, see who rises up to the top.

There have always been a couple of disgruntled people over the breaks he didn’t get. But he looked like poo when I saw him on an NFL field. So I wasn’t that upset about it, though I had thought we would get better from him. Blah blah excuses about crappy linemen. You still have a job to do. So he wasn’t ready. Now he looks okay apparently but vs inferior competition people want to cut him slack. Inferior competition. Like most of the players in the SEC that won’t make NFL rosters. Still, Young wasn’t much better than Corral would have been, if he is even as good. Very poor excuse for a franchise QB, either one of them. still, keep them coming until you hit.

I think Corral’s situation fits the luck/no luck scenario. Happens all the time. I look at a 3rd for a QB about like a 5th gambling on a average position player. Like, I consider that cheap cost to come away with a shot at a starter.

Agree. In a world that placed ability above all, why don’t you want someone to challenge your crappy QB? That isn’t sweating his starting spot one bit. To me the bar is low and you don’t have to spend much to upgrade him, do it. edit: If they aren’t going to play Dalton or even have competition, I don’t care to have him on the team. Put someone in that roster spot that can develop into something and get him ready to compete next season.

C handles the ball 1st. It has to go out all kinds of ways. Seems like you should want someone who is a straight up C not converted from something else. Possibly, C is Corbett’s calling, and in that case I would acquiesce. Otherwise, a real C please.

I don’t know what we were supposed to get with the history since Tepper. It is pretty clear that you’d be considered fortunate to survive a season if you are the new coach. We were never getting an up and comer on the level that people hire for HC vacancies, if we waited to identify up and coming that were ready. I think he did about as well as he could have done. The reasons I accept Canales is he has no personnel control, no extra powers, but practically he espouses what we needed to hear on the QB and offense and he has actual experience with reclamations - and I do believe Russell Wilson at least straddled the reclamation line. Kind of preemptive reclamation. And Wilson is the closest comp to what Young is, out there. Rainbow deep balls, having to play with a limited arm. Young even on a good day falls well short of Russell Wilson across the board with the possible exception that Young isn’t a total egotistical blame deflector. There is a lot that that matches up though. So there you are with that and I go back to what I saw early on which has the coach and GM with clearly defined borders, job description wise, and the are Aligned in purpose. I think they see things close enough to the same that we will have a HC and a GM actually working together well for the first time since Gettleman and Rivera in Gettleman’s first year. The other people that have been here never had what I am seeing in Morgan/Canales. It feels likle they are a team and pulling the same direction. With an idiot owner, a united HC/GM front has to be a huge asset. I mean, you are the coach with this owner whoi will bulldoze coaches, you really need a GM that will stand up with you. There is no philosophical gulf to bridge, there is no overlap of power to muddy things, there are two men who have a level of professionalism that they have demonstrated. I think you do have to give Morgan some slack because of his involvement in the brilliant decisions that led to a guy like Canales being the hire. The job was open to him. Took a lot of bad to get there. And I gave Morgan the slack because of his history as a player in Carolina and as a Miami Hurricane. That’s it. It meant something to me though and I think it means something to the larger extended Panther family. And that was needed.

I have a sliver of hope that, despite what I believe, that Tepper truly did allow a decision free from his influence on that QB evaluation. Meaning no dog in the fight he just wants it gotten right. That might mean a building free of irrational ties to that QB. Who really needs to gtfo before we can have any chance at a NFL offense. He sure can’t operate one. Maybe there isn’t the excuse factory inside the building that exists here.

Keep your children off the mic.

I guess I should have said better. I didn’t understand some of what was done last year from the year before, but I don’t see the OL as much of a question mark where last year it was. And the staff knows for sure what they have to deal with at the QB position where it was a question for some last year.

We still have that QB. How do you judge, with that as the centerpiece of things? To me that’s an F all day long.

No way it will be worse. But if it doesn’t get a Ton better they won’t be good.

I’m at a big loss trying to picture much, having seen Young’s mechanics + lack of playing under center and picturing how a running game with him in the middle of it but not a running QB is gonna look. I don’t feel that Chuba is at all enough. At the same time you’d think that running behind LT and LG would be a piece of cake and make him or another back a lot more productive, where you don’t need a top shelf RB. \Priority wise though, don’t leave the OL undone after doing so much. You have to finish it off with a C.

I feel the same, 2023 and prior. Not as sure for 2024 and feel like we are going to see exactly how much Burns was sandbagging. He is going to post numbers. edit: Dan though, that was a good job. Replaced Burns for less and was paid in picks to do it.

Dalton was Mingo’s 3rd game as a pro, but act like that doesn’t matter.

So much evidence that has zero to do with the OL and WRs and play calling and a dozen other excuses. You don’t even need to see him play, if you just go by what they did, you are illuminated. People don’t resort to these measures when there are no issues.

True Bryce Young highlights there. You can focus on the OL or a drop or what you perceive to be no separation, but what hits me first is the lackadaisical totally no urgency drop back posture. It’s freaking horrible. I am gonna need Frank to speak before any sense can be made of it. What I saw was a totally beaten man who wasn’t trying to win football games. I think what beat him was the task of fixing that horrible draft pick. He wanted to bench him. That is what Seattle was. Just seems like arguing with whichever fresh Bryce stan that is inspired to do battle on his behalf, using the same arguments that have rebutted, I have been down that road. I appreciate you guys trying to explain it to people who won’t have any of it and won’t even look at what you are saying. There is so much denial being thrown around, all of this Bryce “YES HE IS TOO!!!!! indignation, but it doesn’t change what is and what is not. Far as Canales, he has to do his due diligence. As a coach. As the leader of the team. It is the right thing to do it is the safe thing for his job in any season. And I hope at some point the idea of competition and the best player for the job, work their way back into the culture over there. It is gone from the building regarding the QB position. Sadly. But for now he has 2.7 and two big ass guards. And a QB with a noodle and the worst footwork I have ever seen. And he has to make an offense out of it. 1st thing is get the throwing motion defined. He knows better than to try and reprogram that footwork. Too big a job, and would fail. Never been done on that level. I mean, have you looked at it? It will be done by demanding results along a timeline. On this spot at this time. Ball out by this time. How he gets there really won’t matter. If he can’t do it, maybe Canales gets a chance to work with a player who is capable. And we aren’t held hostage by this ... whatever he is. I still; want to know the same things I did before the picked him: how will he do when he doesn’t get a runway to launch his deep ball? Show me he can do that. If you cannot, you are Super Limited. Period.

Please no. We have enough bull here already.