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I never bought that Bryce was done when he was benched. It was too clean. As soon a they him in for garbage time it was apparent that he had a chance to work his way back in. I think it would have happened eventually, because I saw him demonstrate things he had not been doing - like the footwork was in his mind (a focus) and the stepping into his throws was prioritized. I was always watching for that stuff from him and his downfalls are accompanied by slackness in those areas. Every time. Hell I got so frustrated I quit coming here and quit watching with maybe three games left in the season. Stayed gone all summer and camp and all that. Something sucked me back in.. I hope he is gone when this year is over. So there can maybe be hope again. I hoped he could pick it up the last 9 games but he is just so bad when it is on him to carry the team and be that guy.

This all comes back to the player. Our QB is not good with play action. At all. I said before the game I wish we could run play action. It is the obvious counter to what they were doing to us. As far as the keep pounding for a yard strategy… The way it looked to me, we were 3 points down most of the game. We saw that as soon as we tried to open it up bad things happened. It seems to me that we should have gotten outside more, but I was doing radio and didn’t see the game to see how NO was playing things other than the absolutely predictable stacked LOS. I do t know what the answer was, but I know what it wasn’t and that was put it in Bryce’s hands unless we were desperate. This is what we are dealing with and maybe the silver lining is people that refused to see couldn’t help but see today. Maybe we can escape two more years of Bryce, or worse. Three.

Play calling being limited or dictated by personnel is really a thing, believe it or not. I imagine that bleeds into design as well.

We have made some progress in other areas. Kicking game is tightened up. Defense is tightened up. Despite the ups and downs there is promise there. T Mac is a major add. Or will prove to be, I expect. We are developing OL depth with a lot of reps and at this point give Nijman some more. Wallace seems to have gotten better over the season and may not be the bust I thought he looked like last year. The draft class as a whole looks very promising. That’s about all the optimism I can muster tonight.

As soon as play calling comes into it, Bryce comes into it. Just the way it is.

That part right there, I question. I think it was one game where Bryce totally clipboarded, and then he got 4th qtr garbage reps. To me that indicated they had not given up on him and were trying to rehab him enough to get him back in the saddle. (which totally depressed me because I wanted him out for good). It’s all speculation just stating mine.

https://tenor.com/view/mark-cooper-jones-jay-foreman-map-men-grave-inhumation-gif-13298387559146904695 I guess I don’t know how to embed a gif. It is a guy digging a grave.

I mean we would have needed to hold them to two FGs tops to win the game. 17 points isn’t bad and is only maybe a point or so over their season average. The failure was on offense. Something like 4 straight 3 and outs, but we were still in a tight game. Canales knew what a gamble it would be to start relying on Bryce throwing the ball and stalled as long as he could. His fears were realized as soon as the cuffs came off Bryce’s lil old wrists.

okay this is all messed up. I had the Frank quote here and didn’t see it. So disregard the Frank quote above.. my bad. My reply was intended to respond to ProcessBlue2 and the ‘Tepper seeing it’ angle. Reply starts here: I’ll be needing to see proof of that. Meaning Tepper. As far as the Dan being responsible that people are saying, I look at the situation as being like The Shawshank Redemption. The Bryce Young Redemption. His dream job can be his, but he has to serve his time in the Young cellblock. Go through a river of poo and hope he can make it to the other side. I believe he had conditions placed on his promotion and is fulfilling them and trying to navigate his way out of it while remaining employed. I have no proof but that is what I choose to believe. As opposed to Dan is an idiot that looked at Young and sees him as his ticket to success.

That may be what it takes to convince ownership. Nothing else has.

Would you have promised you could fix him? To get the job and the money? Or would your rep maybe be more important to you. Arguing this elsewhere and I feel like, based on how I operate which might be my big mistake, but I would be honest and say I don’t know if he can be fixed, but I have plan to try that has brought me success. I do have to say, it is a very challenging proposition because of his poor mechanics and his size. Here is all you can really do… and proceed to tell what I would try to do. My question to you (meaning to Tepper) is if it fails do I lose my job or do I get a chance to prove myself with someone of my choosing?

Nope already taking enough abuse. Knowing it, won’t change anything in relation to if you agree or don’t. Damage is done already. Like this whole long miserable process, we have to let it play out.

We were locked into wasting this season when we drafted him. And many of us knew that at the time, I have been in deep football depression the whole time. We just threw so much away.

Damn I am sorry I missed that it was probably educational. I really wish Tepper had some awareness.

If they keep him, I will tell why I believe he was pumped up so hard and why people were so willing to be fooled. Because I will turn in my Panthers fan card at that point and won’t have anything to lose by promoting what will be a very unpopular opinion. As it is, I still like coming here so ain’t saying poo.

Fig that attitude with your derisive crap. You ain’t perfect. Go round and round and your whole case is it was a money grab and Canales is too dumb to get a condition of employment that gives him life after Bryce. When the village football idiot could see that he ain’t t it and can’t be made into an NFL QB, but a pro coach can’t see that

You are assuming you know the arrangement didn’t include a contingency providing that Bryce was unfixable. The main justification to condemn him out of hand is to believe Bryce was fixable and he failed. If you don’t believe that, and I didn’t, judging him on that is unfair. I know the other arguments. On balance and considering realistic alternatives, I am not sold. I need to see it under conditions more conducive to success than what is in place right now. No biggie. Just think he has a big time losing hand and what the hell can you do if you are in that position? I think you try to ride it out and hope you get better circumstances eventually.

I know what you think. You have said so often enough. I think it needs to be proven with a clean slate and not having to try to drag that fuging 180lb weight around. I think what I asked is what is he supposed to do?

So if you know Bryce will sink the ship but are essentially forced to play him… in a 3 point game, what do you do? You see what happens when you turn him loose to point guard. I can’t blame Canales for that sorry excuse for a football player he is forced to indulge. He may be crap too but he needs the rope to prove it with an actual QB.

I don’t see that he has one now. First overall, can’t adapt? Fugetabboutit

Gratefully gone…

To all you people that booed… good job. Make sure Tepper hears it.

What happened to that last fool? He abruptly vanished. I excoriated him, and was awaiting his retort that never came.

No you shouldn’t trade known quantities of that level a player for unknown. Throw all available QBs names in a hat, pull one out, he will be better than Bryce.

Bryce does not have the physical assets or the arm to be an NFL QB and he should never have been expected to succeed. The guys with the assets are still crap shoots but you just guarantee to fail when you count on what he brings to the table, against this league.