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I might need to go read about that. The way you frame it here is that he basically sent those guys off to debate that question. Which I would agree is not an approach that I would value. There is validity to the approach but you have to have the players to do it with. If you don’t they will stop you. You know you have a great team if they know what,s coming and still can’t stop it.

I felt similar, that he fuged it up off the bat. Should have started with Rico. But Andy…. Good lord. I doubt anyone saw his mental failure as a possible threat. And he kept doing it.

I don’t have anyone in mind but think if Canales had a Mayfield or Darnold (for a bad tasting example) we would be much improved without the developmental period that no one wants to go through with Canales. I just really don’t want to go through another staff overhaul and all the player turnover that goes with it because we would be in the same place as last time with no one wanting to take the job and we would settle again. I’d probably just be out for instance if we kept Bryce and changed coaches

Do you think we lost Sunday because of Canales? I had issues with him in that game but don’t think we were going to win that one. Like I said I am kind of on the fence but it’s a suicide mission for anyone until we get the QB thing resolved.

I wish there was someone we could trade for that wouldn’t take developing.

If Ron had been given Bryce as his QB what happens though? And Ron had an excellent track record as DC and had run the 34 and the 43 both successfully in the league. He had some really good defenses. Add in, how did he do under Tepper with a damaged Cam? it isn’t really close to a fair comparison. Ron wasn’t a great HC either he was a guy that knew defense and had a great QB dumped in his lap. As far as some of the other stuff in the thread I was hot about him not being suave with Rico but he has taken action, and people have pointed out decent reasons for being 2 games slow to make the change. And we won one of them. I don’t know I have cooled off since Sunday and I wasn’t moved straight to fire him level of dissatisfaction, just decidedly unhappy with him. I don’t really have a strong opinion either way but do think he was given a no win situation with Bryce. And he hasn’t done horribly with that aspect of it, given the unreasonable expectations of the assignment. It is the NFL version of a suicide mission.

I can’t make you a great meal without the right groceries. Him not fixing Bryce is no surprise to me, as I didn’t consider it a realistic proposition to start with. My vision at the time was well he’ll show that Bryce can’t be fixed and then will get down to business with a better candidate.

I don’t know where the QB is going to come from but with a decent vet he won’t need three years. I’d say we should try and trade for one but haven’t given it any real though to say if there is even one out there that fits that scenario. But I would rather give up big picks for a proven commodity that what we did with Bryce.

They were not going to have it be otherwise, or have it even be a question I should probably say. At least by bringing in Hooker and White someone is doing something. Bare minimum.

Weren’t they number 4 going in?

I don’t have the energy right now. Not finished licking my wounds and complaining. Preliminary thoughts … Loss. The awakening of rolling with RICO is a week late and they will shut our running game down (I watched some video and our receivers are sucking at their blocking assignments for the most part. Which most receivers do). It will be on Bryce to carry us through the air. Big test for him, good luck I can’t do scores. We’ll lose the game not sure it will be that close.

I understand the sentiment that you don’t want to drop him and get burned. I say he needs to definitively prove himself and we have plenty of games left for him do that. As far as him burning us, he won’t get near the rope elsewhere that he has gotten here so if he is going to burn us he will need to do it definitively at his new place, which is really the same thing I am asking for.

We should be thankful those people have someplace to go be stupid besides here. I know I am. We could always go back to the old email list discussion thing. It’s free. I mean, in an emergency.

Yeah, I had a feeling it was about Chuba being a Captain. Needed it to be obvious to everybody even Chuba. Not endorsing it just thinking of the why. It sounds like at least it’s done

I haven’t seen him but just want to comment that the mid rounds are where you are supposed to take a chance on an undersized outlier type of a guy.

Yeah that was what was reported.

You can refine the point with that picture but the overall issue is that Tepper was tired of waiting.

That’s like saying Vance could tell Trump what to do or Harris could tell a Biden what to do. Or the Captain is telling the Admirwl what to do. They are there to Help facilitate their higher up’s agenda. Dan needs to stand or fall on decisions that are clearly his to make. Just my opinion but it is an informed opinion, having been in charge of stuff and also having been a supporting player for someone that is in charge. You can question them but if they say they are doing whatever, you aren’t stopping it and if you make an issue of it you are likely going to be replaced.

See, Canales worried about feelings when the players know the deal. I don’t care that much because we weren’t winning anything this year anyway but it hurt us for two games before figuring out what he was supposed to do in response to Rico being dominant. Hope he learns something from this. You play the best players. Not your favorite players.

You were making great sense to me until you accused Canales of bringing Beyce to a system that is not what Bryce is good at. It was the system he ‘cooked’ in last year. With another 1st round WR to boot. Bryce was good at college football on a team that had superior talent Are we supposed to do that poo? Because it doesn’t work in tne NFL. He hasn’t made it work in the NFL after trying to play like he is still at Alabama for 2.5 years. Bryce needs to play the NFL game. That is the job. Can he do it or not do it?

Deciding that we *had* to draft a QB in the first and we had to do it now is what got us into 3 years of misery. We finally get all of our own picks next year. Don’t forget that.

We would have had to sit through that game no matter what. Like winter, it was coming. As bad as Dalton was Bryce has matched him before. He has had some horrid games. And I don’t think he would have made a lot of difference against the Bills, honestly. Bryce needs to play to prove me and most other people wrong; he can’t do it sitting down. And against good defenses and good teams not just the mirror images of our sorry asses. And if he doesn’t do it this year the people in charge are double fools if they give him more years.

Those are pretty much the talking points about the loss. Maybe injuries. But they were more just icing on the cake. Not reasons.

This QB salary market, and for that matter every other position, does not need to be equal across the league like the NBA tries to do it. No way an average player on a bad team deserves the deserves near the compensation level of the top players simply because he is a 1st stringer. But these agents are all about ‘setting the market’ as if they are steak or beer or an automobile that gives you consistent consumer experience. If that makes any sense.

Yep. We I mean different posters maybe even you too touched on this when I was on a rant about ‘SEC success equals NFL success’ as pertained to pre draft Bryce evaluation. I was ball parking most SEC defenses as having one or two future NFL draftees. You are reinforcing the actual reality here.