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It is still an influencing variable when contemplating maki g a change. The first question in that circumstance is do you know making a change will result in an upgrade? You don’t always. You might have a pretty meager list of candidates still. I think getting rid of Bryce would be a huge unfug of the candidate list. I think Morgan and Tillis look good and the roster isn’t like it was then, you give someone a chance to get their QB maybe the list looks better.

In this day and age those are so routine, they are about like due diligence. A precaution to make sure you aren’t missing something. They probably should shut him down if the season is decided.

Glad I am entertaining you yuck yuck. I damned sure would rather watch him instead of Bryce every Sunday (and that goes for other QBs too). There is no way of knowing the record with him but I would think he could do better with this team than what we have.

I don’t know at this point. I haven’t really checked Wash out. He is here already so I would look at him. I might or probably would expect there will be some HC is out of a job and was a successful DC before being a HC. Probably start there. I really want Luke lol but that probably couldn’t happen.

Yeah, I neglected the Tepper variable in the Canales factoring. Why we have him. And it isn’t as much because he is Morgan’s buddy as it is we were turned down or just got a ‘not interested’ so many times we had to have Somebody… so Morgan being familiar is a factor yes but only after pretty much all other options were not going to materialize. We don’t even know, it may have been better to get him than the next option at that point. Which turns Dan into getting a save rather than fuging us with hiring his buddy.

No man, he is not bottom third. Please. I saw him choke in the biggest game for Minnesota last year. Sure did. Not blind. But I don’t know that he learned nothing. We may get some clarity on that coming up soon. People usually do incremental improvements rather than putting it all together at once. Or they don’t because they hit their ceiling and can’t improve but that is generally an ability thing. Plus players often learn best from failure, and getting more repetitions where they can apply what they may have learned. I guess I am a less than serious fan because I would take going 12-5, 13-4, and playoffs most years and be satisfied, with no guarantee of a SB championship. Compared to what we have been fed for years, I take that poo all day every day. That is what he is doing. I’ll wait and see how he responds this year because they will be in the playoffs won’t they?

I understand that a capable OC is desirable but I also understand, or think I might, the dynamics with the staff and maybe I’m wrong but I do not see Canales firing his offensive right hand guy without significant pressure from Morgan or Tepper to do so. So that, in addition to Canales stating pretty definitively, that he was keeping play calling. I don’t know what you do in that circumstance. It would need to be important enough to you to make it worth firing Canales to get your OC play caller. To that, if Canales not being good so far at play calling (and we only have the one year in TB to factor with what we have see here), is accepted as a given, it is only fair and honest to consider what an impediment having to construct and administer an offense around Bryce Young’s game would be to an OC. I would say it is a big complication, big surprise there. You won’t know about Canales 100% until you remove Bryce from the equation and get him a clean slate to create from - without the Bryce restrictions. And yeah you will likely end up without a top notch high flying offense. But it still *could* be much better than it is now. In the right hands. So that is potentially what we’re looking at. I suppose we could keep Bryce and bring in a college style coach and design a Bryce rollout offense or something and see if that helped. I am not in favor of that, probably the last thing I would want. We could do nothing, which I am not in favor of. We could fire Canales and keep Bryce (my least preferred option). We could get rid of both, which I would begrudgingly accept but would lament the interruption of the continuity that a 3rd year would provide. You could get rid of Bryce and get a couple of new QB prospects in here, vets, drafts, whatever… that would be my choice. I am afraid I know how it’s gonna go. All I can really say about that is, there has not been a single time in three years that I looked at the upcoming game and felt like we were gonna win because we have Bryce Young playing QB. Because of what he could do with the ball in his hands. Not once. Sure there have been a handful of games that he was part of the reason we won, a couple he was a big part, but not enough times to feel like that is my expectation. At best, it is cross your fingers and hope for good Bryce.

Okay. If you want to start with 2023 and assign point value as used in trading draft picks, you really will see a tough look. I counted them up once not doing it again but a 9th, the next year’s 1st overall, the two seconds, DJ too, the 1st and 2nd in 2024 for offense, the 1st in 2025 for offense…. Add in the 2nd in 2022 for WR. For all those Bryce picks and what else we were left with, for 2023 and 2024, our big defensive score was Wallace in the 3rd in 2024. The value assigned to all those resources spent on offense would dwarf the defensive total. Multiples. Then go to FA and cap and the Burns return and freed cap, what happened to that? IOL mostly. Yeah we signed Clowney. Not too sure what else. It was so lopsided, but I guess we weren’t supposed to notice that.

I think the, or A big rub there is Idzik and what do you do with him? Canales will not want to be disloyal I don’t think, and if Canales doesn’t call plays well someone has to and it seems like that would mean new OC. Which is another damned can of worms. That only makes sense to me, or it make way more sense, if we change QBs. You don’t change the system and spend that time in almost certain regression with this barely capable QB. I was never hot on Canales and there are some negatives no doubt but I think at this point you keep stuff intact. I would get him a QB to work with that isn’t some unicorn.

Just say what you mean. Which is probably people who don’t want Bryce are ruining the team. The board. Your entire football fanning activities. Poor thing.

I thought he was basically foisted on Reich. Not sure who was responsible for hiring him. Fitterer? Tepper with his Rooney Rule lite draft pick aspirations? And under contract and subsequently foisted on Canales. Who would we get? Really don’t need to retool to 4-3, I don’t think. So a 3-4.

Right. And people are crying about the play calling. And about gaslighting. Yet here we are in a gaslight thread that claims we blamed Bryce Young for the loss. I mean, if you ran a poll, you would have probably fewer than 10% blaming Bryce for Sunday’s loss.

It is why they play. But the only consistent measure for predicting, this year, has been the up down. Insane.

I’d give it another year for Sanders and Evans, I don’t much care what you do with Tremble’s spot. Let him have another year or maybe replace him. Haven’t looked at his contract so that may be the determining factor.

Following the crazy up down pattern we finish 9-8 with an improbable sweep of TB, and lay an egg in the home playoff game. I don’t know if I can sign on to sweeping TB but I suppose it’s possible, they aren’t really that good this year. ps I can buy beating TB Sunday and losing to Seattle. Then it just gets to can you fluke one game. Any given Sunday. So we’ll see.

Well I was a Darnold and I think you know what I have thought about Bryce since before we even drafted him. You can’t blanket statement this poo. But my standards start at tools/size. I am lenient when I see potential. Anyone that can watch our team for 8 years and be glad we do not have Darnold because he probably would choke in the SB or the NFCCG has eaten some real sour grapes.

No doubt you are right about who Dan and Dave refer to. Luke seemed pretty happy with not having having the team called ass. 2nd place schedule. Or lol even 1st possibly. Gonna be harder.

All this great stuff he has done, how often does he do it? I have it at three or four games out of 14 where he was very good and then you get a drive here or a series there where there are some good things. Here is the gaslight part: everyone has put him on a curve with his first year the baseline, neglecting to understand how bad he was then. Even if he comes back twice as good, where does that really leave him? 25th ranked or thereabouts. He had so far to go, and still does, it is a Major ‘settle’ to accept his play as worthy of giving him our future. You want to settle when the Bucs have Mayfield, and the Saints have overtaken us at QB? We will be third in the division at QB. That is good enough for y’all?

Man, Florio and Simms are bleak on Tua. Just put Bryce’s name in every time they talk about Tua’s shortcomings and it is like reading this board. Or some of my posts lol. Why do they hate him so much? They are bad people!

Anytime your knee is trying to fold on you, gotta get some slack.

When I see them looking like deer in headlights, JC players vs pros, I can’t believe when I see them go out and have a decent game wham called on. And if they did it once, I am not expecting that the next time. Zavala has had some extreme swings where he looked up and coming at times last year but here we are again this year with the 2023 version

The up and down performance of these backups might be odd, except they’re backups. Zavala and Nijman have looked cut worthy more than once and other times have been pretty good. Who knows what to think….. I usually go with pessimism.

Agreed. It is similar to when we win and he has 120 yards and 1 TD. It wasn’t about him.

I haven’t seen it mentioned here but Cam about had a conniption over Rivers being called and his phone didn’t ring. There is video.

So yeah let’s blame a DC for failing to succeed after they pillaged your defense in every manner available to them to prop up their QB. For two hard years like scorched earth they tore that defense down and spent the proceeds on the offense. You know. Draft, cap, FA. Drained the defense. Whatever you think of Evero. Whoever the DC is. No one can compete with what they gave him. The whole organization should have been apologizing to him. I am no Evero homer but let’s be real.