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Yeah the more I learned the less interested I became. And wasn’t interested much in the first place.

Would you want to pay 30? I think it will be a lot closer to that than 12-15 when it all shakes out. I’m not thinking I want to, with Bryce still here.

This might not even be related to his play. “Not expected back” gives us nothing, it could be he doesn’t want to come back. It could be we want to move on. If he is seen as a street level talent the only thing he offers above a random guy is familiarity. At this point I would say he is probably out of upside. So if we can find equal with some upside, that is what we need to do. Hard to say with such little inside info.

They think it’s hitting a baseball I guess. 3 successful ABs out of 10 gets you paid. I have a post from a day or two ago just off the cuff, I didn’t document… but going through the season and putting his quality performances in one pile and the rest in another. I don’t know what kind of success you can have with that. People who think that because he played well against the Rams in the playoffs means that he will do that in every game going forward are willfully ignoring the flip side. But his people have always been fond of cherries. It doesn’t mean he won’t but it in no way proves he will.

Yeah we just can’t accept that level of play going forward, from a guy in his 4th year.

I think he has closed the gap a little bit between him and a backup coming in and badly showing him up. But not so much that someone could not come in and make the offense look like Andy did in Seattle week 3 2023. That poo was night and day to Bryce was putting out. So, they are in a sense playing with fire by getting rid of Dalton and actually trying to bring in someone to push him.

Getting better, might be fairly charitable. We finished 1-3 with the pressure on. That is for sure not trending up. I don’t see a clear run of performances that prove he has taken it to another level. Not yet. I would say he played really well in the WC game. And folded on that last series where we still had a chance. I think he threw one good ball. That last series is the kind of thing a player is supposed to learn from and not repeat. We have to see him do it before we can credit him for doing it. I would also say he has not done enough of playing at his ceiling and what we should expect as the game in game out norm is still not established. We gonna get MNF in SF or we gonna get the WC game? Seattle or Atlanta yardage record? Besides that he has three years of horrendous play to start the season hanging over him. Are we going to get that again or will he be over that? We can’t know that. Mind you, that isn‘t two of three it is three of three he has yet to play well to start the year as a pro. Ofer. So, many questions remain. As far as weapons and help… said it before. Fix the OL so we can protect him. It is time for a 1.1 pick in his 4th season, third year in the same offense, to elevate the players we have given him. You can’t keep up the level of investment dedicated to propping him up, you have to prop up the defense too and get some balance.

That is discussed a little in this thread, it got pushed down off the first page:

It would be something to go yet another year with no 1st put into the defense. I think that would make 6. 6 years without a 1st rounder for the defense. And we seem to be fuging stuck

In The Athletic today: The Panthers will let all of their free agents test the market. The list includes running back Rico Dowdle, who will not be returning to Charlotte unless he finds little interest following back-to-back 1,000-yard rushing seasons. The Panthers want to bring back a pair of offensive linemen — center Cade Mays and swing tackle Yosh Nijman, who would start while Ikem Ekwonu recovers from patellar tendon surgery. Mays is expected to land a deal in the $8 million-a-year range. Nijman would come considerably cheaper. Even if the Panthers re-sign Nijman, look for Morgan to draft an offensive lineman for the first time since replacing Scott Fitterer in 2024. A tackle is in play for the Panthers with the 19th pick. — Joseph Person ———- I interpret that as saying they want to get Nijman in the fold and try to upgrade from him in the draft.

Yeah, that is literally it on Corbett. It says Mayes and Austin Corbett both hit FA, Corbett is not expected back. Nothing else.

I am not sure, someone upthread proposed that Leo C is very good at run D not so much in coverage. I guess my thought was, if he struggles with that maybe we do need to spend more. If… being the key to it and yeah I don’t know either. (My MO these days is mostly, do the studying after they are Panthers if they are seriously on the radar on March 9 I will probably look at some video). Gonna indulge my fanboy and say with Morgan and Luke on the scene I trust them to know.

Read what you wrote again. The combine is all about the players who will be in the draft. It is going to generate draft talk by its very nature.

We do need a guy that can cover.

Well we don’t have anything to talk about so…..

Dave is gonna be flapping those wings over the defense now. At least some. I picked this up it was interesting… if you watch his interview on the team site with Anish, not the presser, he talks about his first year. He had nothing to do with the defense. Evero had autonomy (my words). Which is what a lot of us thought was the setup. Apparently some involvement last year, but marginal. My words again. Spreading those wings this year. Wonder if we get some turf wars.

How much does he want to sign? There are things were aren’t privy too that drive these decisions sometimes.

According to the trade value chart I looked at 51 is 390. 100 gets you to 41. Even ahead of NO. 19 is worth 875. We could pick up 95 points going from 19 to just 22. Math isn’t my strong point but that says, think again. https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp Happy to consult another chart I know they vary.

Well yeah I am saying that for all the rants about it and begging to to be delivered from this poo, that I have done, the present situation doesn’t have the urgency compared to our other issues. We will Not be replacing him this year. So let’s be practical and use our draft assets to get level off of this Icky thing. The center thing. This ILB thing. Hell even as anti as I am towards giving him yet more weapons, I recognize the value of a complimentary speed WR. We don’t know about Brooks so need to cover RB past Etienne. We really need a power back. IMO. And so on with 2 or 3 other positions. Like I don’t even think a 5th should be used to draft a QB. Absent some crazy poo happening.

Maybe I should have used a different word and saved that for me. I want someone that has something impressive about them. Someone that has potential to supplant a guy who is producing 25th best type of numbers. 22nd, 27th all that bottom third neighborhood. I don’t know where that will come from it just can’t be from even a 4th round pick this year IMO. Unless FA is crazy productive. I’ll give Bryce a better than bottom rating for his playoff game. Well above low twenties. But at least half of his games were bottom third level. Probably 2/3 to 3/4 of them were.

I intended token to apply to his rookie year. Just beat Somebody out. Call it a competition. I hated that he was just handed the job I thought it set a bad precedent. I think we’re fairly aligned otherwise.

Have listened to a few too, and they are kind of running together. I just hesitate to have confidence in a 3rd or 4th round rookie starting at C.

It was bad enough that an all time bad QB performance was excused by it. I think they will address C adequately, and am more worried about LOT.

Who calls it a strong C draft? I heard the opposite so curious. I can’t cite a source and you don’t have t just asking if there is one or if that is your opinion. I do think that if teams get Mayes and stick him in between weak guards they may regret it. And think ours will benefit a guy.

Technically Young was 8-8 regular season. 8-9 overall. List games he carried the team please. I’ll give him a couple. Top of my head… Yardage record vs Atlanta, played well vs Dallas. IIRC, 4 qtrs of good play which was almost a career 1st. Some spurts in the second half - vs LA Rams comes to mind. Played well in the WC game. Whole team did. Failed at the end. Laid a lot of eggs too. You don’t get a great record after a loss unless you have a lot of losses. Jags, Cards - sorry most of that 2nd half was Cards prevent (like we use to do in 2015 - go up big fast and slack off let them back in, have to turn it on again at the end) Jets Saints Saints 9ers Seahawks On the fence Re Green Bay due to the wind and the strategy employed but he was not great there.