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I think I agree. If they can give Bryce that long why not the coach that has to deal with him as well? I am not convinced the playbook is totally open. We get a play caller in that has to deal with that what it look like? Will he limit his menu to Bryce friendly plays or just call his usual game? Will he be able to be fluid and call a game the way he likes, while being limited? That can’t be easy to adapt to.

He already is the OC. Canales let him call some plays during the preseason. He is greener than Canales in that role. We could get lucky and he could be really good, naturally, but that is a long shot.

Pick 32 not 20.

Sorry, get outta here with those future first round picks. Untouchable. Have we not yet learned?

Good for us very bad for Icky, the big extension has not been done. We can spend most of that on whatever. Another LOT, a C, a ILB, Edge, something. He is a good teammate, a good guy, good to have on the team. Pretty good LOT. Hate it for him

Got stats for that? Surely you do.

The thing that stands out to me is the guys who have been drafted since, some of them pretty low, are out progressing and flat outplaying Young. It isn’t one guy either. It is several. So much of it comes down to skill set. Physical tools. They have more of them. Height is a component in this. A large portion of the stuff with Bryce comes from his poor field vision, which is 100% height related.

You guys understand that if we argue that the stat is wonky, worthless, non reality reflecting, anything like that, we are doing it because we hate Bryce. Because we are haters, liars, biased, casuals, all kinds of stuff you don’t want to be called. I have never understood some of these stats. They don’t consistently reflect what I have watched. That graph with the 3rd down efficiency, absolutely lines up with what I saw this season, for example. This QB rating, the PFF stuff, not so much. And certainly those non scientific grades from ESPN personalities.

I don’t hundred percent agree with the last paragraph, considering what was invested. But when Reich told them the truth about the footwork issues, and seeing Young was not prepared for the under center game, and obviously Reich did not think he should be starting… a good franchise would have respected his opinion and let him handle the QB the way he thought best.

That seems more likely to be true than not true.

The Bryce curve in action. They root for the lil fella so hard. It isn’t that he didn’t play well, that just really seems inflated compared to some of these others.

And nobody would be taller than him. Win win.

A nice example of statistics confirming what we watched go down. It didn’t seem to matter if we had them in 3rd and 15. They are getting it. Every fuging week.

Simplistically looking at it we should have finished 8th. Picking 8th and all. I would bet it never works out like that. I think they did a great job too.

I like him but I would worry a little with burnout with Tomlin.

I am thinking at the moment be ready to draft OT two consecutive years. We could do one this year, see how he does and see how Icky responds. If we get lucky and Icky my responds well and can come back maybe we don’t have to have to replace him and Moton both. Adjust as needed.

That’s ‘funny’. Morgan has been very good trading down. It is the trading up that gets the pitchforks out.

I was talking about Daniel Jones. Edit: and speaking of Mac Jones, him with Shanghai is a bit different than with who is it in Pittsburgh, Arthur Smith?

I was harping on finishing 1-3 after the bye. I didn’t extrapolate back 8 games and surely didn’t realize that it was a 2-6. Lol. Playoffs! But they showed up for the game pretty well. Yeah I understand the bar is raised competitively next year. I also understand you are anti Morgan but I liked a lot of what I heard in his press conference yesterday. He wants to build that defense. This Icky thing is a complication though.

Maybe you look at the GM as much as the coach. And Jones looked really good for sure, but who finished the year and at least got their team to the playoffs?

Moton is down for 28.4x million for 2027. Dead cap 14 million or so. 28 is the void year. Before Icky went down I had my eyes on him doing one more season. We gotta do something, paying an aging ROT 28 million is not good.

That generally happens when the coach is on the hot seat and on the way out. Having a hard time thinking about where a guy was forced to change and he wasn’t out the door not that long after. They ain’t firing him, they ain’t looking at firing him. Morgan actually said it was something that would be discussed but I felt like he wanted it to be Canales’ decision. Which goes to my question of how do you insert a guy etc… maybe they figure it out.

It made me feel a little better about that 4th year, but he was getting it regardless. I believe. He will always be limited. But if he can raise his floor to match what he has done that passes for good on the Bryce grading curve, I could tolerate it. I might be lying. I want a guy that can force anybody to respect the passing game.

That is a huge point of contention with me. The assets brought in for him, those guys got none of that, and no time either. I mean we are going 4 years here all in. And still don’t know that the floor can be raised.

I watched the Morgan presser just now. The Evero extension was to align the contract with Canales’. Whatever that really means. Morgan sort of made a point of putting it that way. You could infer a fair amount from that move. For one, it lines up with the thing you guys are saying. Total reboot. Contracts are aligned.