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I feel certain there was a prescribed timeline and probably linked to the 5th year option crossroads.

That is why Vrabel is not here. I was always about the strong defensive minded hard ass as a leader model and would have taken him gladly.

Morgan played MLB at a high level and set a SB record for tackles (11, broken later it stands at 12 now). He knows, he just has to get through the season. This was always going to be the course the team took. Because of the owner and the investment made. If it wasn’t Morgan, anybody else hired as GM would have had the same terms imposed. Give Bryce every chance. In terms of games, in terms of talent around him, that was the mission. I don’t want to give Tepper credit he may not deserve so I won’t say we only have a few more games to suffer, but I hope this is season is enough to settle the issue.

Yeah This is a big part of the challenge. It’s the blind leading the blind without established guys. At the same time the saying is you lose a game fle every rookie you start. Still, I like that we are playing young guys overall.

Hey, tbe first pro game for Bryce vs the first for Cam, nothing needs to be said. EdIt/PS each showed us exactly who they were, first time.

Oh yeah. I have said the same type of thing and no one bought it. They weren’t in the market. If you are inaccurate at +/- 35 yards, it can accidentally land right where you wanted it.

And?

That is where you could find a ton of value. Guys that people gave up on early. It wasn’t 40 fuging games early. They got very few games - or practices some of them. Oops like when Decca records told the Beatles no, that “guitar bands are going out of style” lol. Johnny Unitas. Look up his history. And it was much simpler back then. The history is a great story and plenty of others have similar ones.

Okay that was not the collective or the majority opinion. So how about ‘some people on the Hudde’?

I mean he fits a profile. Can’t be that expensive. I am open to possibilities. Just don’t make him the ONE possibility and I would have no issue with seeing what we can see.

Bam. That’s it. Bryce always looks good until he is at risk.

I am from SC, and was a fan in his college days, and am white and have long hair too. Or I need a haircut anyway. Still, I can’t feel this at all. Too much money and too little certainty. Okay he has been to the playoffs and had a good game or two, but the money is too much for the likely return.

He isn’t getting much help for sure. At the same time, he needs to help himself. I am 50/50 on him and he does need someone worth a damn throwing to him.

Not opposed to drafting a guy to develop but I too favor the trade or FA route.

All the good stuff in here aside, it didn’t take that long for Bryce. I haven’t watched the guy myself. Just sayin.

No. another No another no another no….. shoot me in the back of the head if that happens.

Any QB that his team needs contractually obligate him to doing film study, disqualified.

Bro you have been pimping Bryce for 3 years. LMAO at that.

Yeah. I distinctly remember being apoplectic watching his first game vs Atlanta in 2023. His lack of urgency on the drop and in general, and the lack of downfield throws were the two primary motivators for that. I was against it but the hype on this board was so great, you couldn’t question him. Post draft, camp, preseason. I had held my tongue until I saw him on the field in a real NFL game. Boy oh boy, total confirmation he was a huge mistake. It hasn’t changed much. he hits a lick occasionally where he does well but it flatlines again pretty quickly. The best memory of him that I have is that TD he threw where he knew it was good and turned around and didn’t watch it get caught. That is his high point. It was so good that a lot of people lived on it and are still living on it.

When did Cam ever play like that? I had a couple of issues with him, but not those kinds. I just wanted him to be as good as he could be, because he had all time talent.

I read that writer’s take after Bryce was benched last year and he was slamming the team for Bryce’s trouble. That didn’t age well at all IMO. First he claimed it was over here and proceeded to lambast Tepper. Of course it isn’t Bryce not taking the coaching (footwork, 123 plant throw in 2.7 secs, etc). Never that. Last year and in 2023. We hash out mo better insight right here than these national writers. But it was interesting to see. .

I don’t know how people could not see it. I am no draft scout and never claimed to be. It is a situation where when you look at him, what does he have physically that is better than NFL average? Nothing that I could see. Not foot speed. Not arm strength. Then you look at his size and it is well below all but Murray in my memory for the modern NFL era. Murray has the plus athleticism/quickness and a plus arm. I still wouldn’t want him because of his size. But Bryce had none of that to offset his size. So okay now that I have assessed Bryce I don’t want him. It was a simple checklist. Except I see all this talk that they might take him. So now I decide I need to look at him closer. Pro day video… I see what I called a skip step. A little extra move on the deep pass. I look at the velocity of his throws, NFL average is being kind. I look at that footwork and it is big time wonky. So there you are, lower ball velocity in my opinion That adds time in a league where guys are timed down to the 100th of a second. Not a plus. It is questionable. Then the extra move on the deep balls which is time, in the face of pressure, and space, also in the face of pressure… it is a stack of negatives and the guy had nothing athletically to offset it. And it is the 1.1 of the NFL draft where there has never been a successful player with his attributes at his position, in the modern era. In his case you don’t have to be a super scout. You just had to look and think about him in relationship to the NFL game. I never watched him in college and think that prevented me from rationalizing things. I had no bias in that regard and I believe others might have. Combine that with a personal opinion that the SEC is not the NFL and there was no automatic approval because of the level of competition level he faced…. On that front I feel there are single digit examples of guys who truly could be in the NFL in their final year of college. The freaks. The rest of them… take what they were their first NFL camp and give the a season in the league and an offseason with the resources and standards of NFL conditioning and strength programs and compare them to a year before… you will see a big difference. And they aren’t finished growing either so that plays into it. It is was a bunch of factors that just equaled do not do this. It gets a lot harder if he had the size to measure up to these normal prospects with the prototypical physiques, and the cannon arm, etc. I never could claim to be good at eyeballing comparisons between two players like that. Bryce was such a unique situation. Anyway that was the process. Looking at guys that people compared him to was also informative, since Brees was the big one. And if you honestly look at Brees and his size, people comparing the two like they are 1 to 1, it was smoke. I am always suspicious of smoke blowing, when I find it. Saying I was not special I just used my brain and eyes and they are not special either. So I had a very hard time understanding what people were thinking.

They don’t seem to be playing the ass kissing access game

That has been striking me for 2.5 years. lol it came out as shrinking just fixed it.

Sure. A Rod and Daniel Jones are both working on around 14 million. You get basically two years of that for Bryce’s 5th year option price. With Bryce I’d do whatever. If I could designate him a post June 1 cut, might do that. Have to look up the cap rules on traded contract money I am not up on it. We wouldn’t get much for him if anything. I haven’t looked at this guy that close but I like the idea of a guy who hasn’t had a starting job but is acclimated to the league and has upside. Almost anything is an upgrade.