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Double Penixtration.

Especially with the Buffalo C off the board. Besides Linderbaum he is the top guy. Think he’s gone.

If you are saying Tillis wanted Wharton, that is what I thought too. The KC connection.

Good point but did Michael pay his dues like Dan has by being a grunt in a personnel/scouting wing of an NFL team? (He has worked at this for years, Jordon wrote a check. still, I hear you) I expect more from Dan when it comes to defense, and especially linebacking.

I’m just saying. That is where things are with the media and the fan speculation. I pretty much agree with you. We do have Luke and Morgan that have some knowledge. I mean, I can’t imagine a world that Dan and Luke haven’t had some conversations. Along with our coaches. They might surprise us. I would be with most others, very disillusioned with Morgan if he fugs up the LB decisions.

I never feel good after reading it. It only fulfills me if I keep it strictly to music, sports, specific interests that have no overlap with any current events. Which is hard to do. But it can be done. That is why I like a message board that is a one trick pony. This one is about the Panthers and NFL ball. I have a favorite music one, fishing and boating, according to my interests.

Okay but I didn’t say anything about 21 million. Lloyd is the people’s choice for one of the top handful of FA targets. A star. I said starting level. Lots of names with lower prices fit that description

We have absolutely been short sighted. Fixated on weapons for Bryce mostly. And that stupid fuging trade to 1.1, all those picks. It cuts your options down so bad. And as bad as it was, we made it worse by creating a huge hole where there wasn’t one with DJ Moore. How many picks were spent trying to fill that hole? Combine them with the picks sent to Chicago…. it’s bartender give me another…. I think it was highly likely that they used a later pick on OT in this draft due to Moton’s situation, before the Icky stuff. We can’t know now.

We don’t know that yet. And, I am hoping a diamond is in the draft, whoever they sign. To me the idea is get a starting level pro, and draft his sidekick who hopefully will outshine him in year two. That doesn’t mean pay the star though.

Sounds like biz as usual is wtf. I was kind of out on Geno anyway, after last season. Also hoping for younger with a possible future. And lord forbid Bryce would have to worry about a guy waiting for him to fug up. So, maybe don’t fug up. Simple. That is the idea.

I have looked at this Lloyd thing a little sideways since I learned the Jags didn’t pick up the 5th year. But I haven’t looked at film of him or anything. It doesn’t much matter what I see, they have not listened to me once in 30 years. I see these little warning signs, as no joke. Someone needs to dig into the why of all that and I can only hope we have.

I think quality ILB play would put this defense in a much better place. I don’t want to see what we have been forced to see the last couple of years. Will it be the Steel Curtain or something? Course not. It won’t be our 2003 team. But it will be a legit defense.

Yep. What Mr C said. We have alignment. I guess at 8 taking true BPA made a lot of sense. It is unlikely that we’ll be looking at the same gap between need and BPA at 19. Be a little easier to pass and trade down and match our value to our needs. IMO. I care very little about having a shiny 1st round TE, give me a tackle or help the defense.

I’m not sure he was a fit anyway.

That’s the thing. You Have to fix the line. He has enough around him or will by the time the draft is over to work with. Plenty. If he is the guy, he can work with the players he’s been given. What we can’t do, absolutely cannot do, is build in an excuse for bad play or lack of growth. We’ll fuging pay for that, probably for more long years.

That’s crazy. That is probably most undeserving inclusion I can remember. I am kind of rooting for him, but I would’t dream of advocating for him and using ‘he made the pro bowl!’ that’s for sure. I am not really advocating, just for whatever reason am pulling for him - I guess because he was treated so badly. Despite his silver spoon background.

I don’t see his situation as all that bad? At all to be honest. A lot of it is they have shoved him down our throats for three years and they minimize or totally ignore the negatives. We’ve been getting Bryce sunshine pumped up our butts for a long time now - a lot of people are just tired of it. At the same time, this is a puff piece not a hard hitting critique. It isn’t like we should expect much different. But if you wonder why people are cynical about it, I don’t understand that. Seems to be a clear cause for it. When they see 1-3 finish when it was must win, but now he is our hero? That is the ultimate blue skying. Were there a few positives? Was progress made? Absolutely. But people put way too much sugar on it.

I have been looking ay Otton because Canales knows him, because I have seen him make plays against us, and wouldn’t be a hot name that will cost a ton. Likely is another one. We don’t need to get Sidiq to address the position.

Yeah I am not beating the drum for Lloyd. I was beating it for a quality vet, and a top rated draftee, with a higher ceiling. 1st we aren’t getting another Luke. Likely not even another Morgan. But it won’t take that to drastically improve our ILB play. It has been worse than bad. I would invest more in the draft pick.

Well I am not sure what I am advocating for. It isn’t an all in SB or bust push, I can say that for sure. And I am not wanting to be the spendingist team in FA every year. 20mil for Lloyd seems too much. I would for sure want to sign a vet LB and fix LOT this year and get=some short term help at edge.

Also, the legal tampering opens up tomorrow, Monday, at noon. Woot.

Okay but need to stipulate to LOT isn’t Morgan’s fault. We’ll see how it is dealt with. This cap stuff. When it gets to precluding us from retaining a player or really handicaps FA, I’ll worry about it. I think you can spend money if you structure the deals to give you an out halfway through. And you can keep turning the ready to step in FAs over.

Yeah. We have Moton hanging around for who knows how long but the draftee could fit there if Icky came back right.

Strnad Re- signed today

Depends on if he goes out and earns it. Which I don’t expect will happen. And they’ll refuse to play hardball they will just give it to him.. Like I said, bringing the WC and passing record games, that level of execution every week? That would be earned to me. Who thinks we will see that? I still wouldn’t be happy, I really don’t like the limitations and would like to be free of them. But I would accept the decision if he meets the high bar.