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since I agree with him I will jump in and say we don’t use the TE enough to value one as a 1st. One of these threads just today people are posting pointing out that Bryce can’t see the middle of the field which is where a lot of TE eat. He likes to throw picks there too, I wonder why (can’t see). It just doesn’t help us that much. And personally, just my opinion, Bryce has had enough top level investment dedicated to the pass game. Get a speedy WR later? I am fine with it and think that is all we really need anyway. Another 1st round pick? Hell no if I get to say. Which I don’t but no one else does either As far as a TE, a pass catching RB would be of more use than a TE I think. We visited with one I think maybe Sr Bowl, that was a WR in school u til just this year when they switched him to RB full time. A guy like that could be put to a lot of use on these little 5 yard passes Bryce is so fond of throwing, It is just past time to put some real talent into the defense for once and I want our top picks to focus there, personally. I would say unless we have a situation like last year where the difference in pure value is stark, I am pissed if we pass on a quality defensive player for another pass catcher.

That is kind of why I said guards too. Hell many played tackle but are drafted to be guards or were taken as tackles and failed so ended up at G. And obviously are at times converted to C also. They are kind of the catch all OL position.

I think Fitterer got us into that pickle. I don’t remember exactly but Moton’s cap hit before that last restructure was really out of whack. There wasn’t much to do except make the best of it.

Yet the playbook isn’t limited. Technically I guess.

I just looked at that, you probably did too. Time for the back channel scuttlebutt and see if we can find out how that Achilles was holding up. And whatever else. New coaches and people are saying it signals a scheme fit. I got no clue what they were doing in Tennessee. It also said he was due 8 million this year.

I haven’t looked at the guy and wasn’t even aware of him but that is interesting. Need to figure out why he was in the doghouse. No sense trading one problem for another. Dalton played well against them two years ago, teams always like guys that do that. Trade him over there too. edit: lol I am imagining XL in Las Vegas.

Other urgent needs aside, seeing Dan bear down on finding us LBs worthy of playing for the Panthers, guys that meet the high expectations he must have for that position on this team, I fuging love it. Edit: he doesn’t buy into the devaluation of that position that I have seen. He said, the other day, that is the guy the DBs are looking at in the huddle, the DL is looking at in the huddle, he wants a leader there. He didn’t use the term QB of the defense, but I will. They have made such a difference to our defense over the years, we just need to find that guy that can be one of the league’s best.

Yeah I get it. I just said guards because we had been weak there and teams go through a lot of them. And I was lazy. I could understand thinking with those new guards maybe you’d be okay being a little less than good at C. And I have just always thought, right or wrong, that they did not want a brand new offense and this overwhelmed kid at QB to have to rely on a rookie at C making the calls and all that. My dad was a 4 year college C so I heard a little about it. Mostly funny stories about what he did wrong more than bragging but I appreciate having a good C and would have been happy with - was it Frazier? Whoever they passed up for Brooks. They are not gonna get it all right decisions every time especially being new, and I think they may be wanting to fix that spot now, let’s hope.

Yeah and just to respond to this, there is a huge difference between being less imaginative than the best generational type of offensive minds and being incapable. And even the best don’t run the table every year. I don’t think you get even an OC job if you don't understand stuff like you cite here. Having to do it all on the fly with people in your ear and the clock ticking and trying to be concerned about all these things going on in a football game will test a lot of people and mistakes will be made. If he gets out from under all that maybe the things outside of the play calling will improve.

I don’t like seeing that either. The automatic jumping, whether you need to or not. That was maybe the first thing I noticed with him.

Drafting a G after signing two for 150 mil, yeah I think you can skip a year. And I am about as sold on the game being won up front as anybody.

This is interesting. Tua’s QB coach was just hired. He is probably getting cut. Not that I want him, at all, but it might be something to keep in mind as an outcome. I was a fan of Andy, over Bryce, but that really fizzled last season. I don’t know who Andy would be ‘over’ any more. edit: I know that if I were a QB with any kind of game, competing with Bryce, even in a faux competition, might be a job I would be interested in.

I think pretty much the Panthers writers are there if you want team centric coverage.

Morgan has done pretty well with trading down. I would be fine with it if the value isn’t there.

I wonder why he really quit with 3.5 mil on the table to play one last year, and a family to look out for. He was ‘okay’ with Wilks and heavy run emphasis. We ate a good bit of money releasing him. I do wonder a little what he would have looked like with 150 mil worth of guards flanking him, compared to whoever we had (who were so good I don’t even really remember their names). Probably no worse than Corbett.

Well, he should have thought about that before he traded the future to draft a midget QB, and fired Reich because he couldn’t turn water into wine. No one wanted the job. He had to take a green entry level OC, and like it.

I heard the Texans were as well.

I missed Tillis. Did Morgan, Canales and Idzik. Idzik was an interview the others I saw were pressers. Also that JJ/Luke podcast the team produced has a good bit of combine discussion, mostly from Luke’s perspective and his participation in it. But there is more to that video to see also. They are all worth the time if you have some.

We all thought that last year. We got no clear resolution. Seems like it has distilled into: is the play calling holding him back, or is he holding back the play calling? It will be interesting to see if things change enough to see the answer. I know what I think. Personally, I’d rather Bevell be calling the plays. Idzik being so green is too easy of an excuse if Young doesn’t take off.

Not sure there is anything that will do that outside of Young actually being a legit top 12 QB. Where he won’t need excuses made for him. It is just as likely to multiply them.

It was a really unsatisfying year if the goal was resolution of the Young question. That was me, my big picture view. I can zoom into individual games and find a lot of satisfaction with some of them. We had some wins we haven’t had in years, and games that were competitive even in a loss - like the Wild Card game. We have been starved for even a taste of good for years, so from that standpoint it was good. But looking at it as confirmation that Bryce is the guy? Welcome to Yo yo roller coaster bi-polarville.

Oh yeah the switching up the play calling is often the first punt. It usually isn’t a voluntary concession. Except I think this is possibly more an honest self scout than pressure from the owner type of a thing. Is this a defensive move reeking of fear like it normally is, trying to placate an unhappy owner/fan base or a sincere attempt to improve the results? I am leaning sincere. I say that because I get zero sense from Tepper that he is even one foot off the wagon. He seems to be very much on board, going by that McAfee interview. The average fans are the same. All bought in after making the playoffs.

Exactly my feelings back then. I never took Wilson as a top QB because of that either. Right or wrong. I guess some of it was I envious. Of his luck lol.

BC…. yeah he was the super sub and we could have used him to fill in at LOT. It is hard to trust a big guy with some age on him to come back the same after that injury. Even if people do come back from it, it is often a two year window before they are back to what they were, that first year can be sub par.

Generally, especially older guys, it takes two years to be fully back. 3 years would take him through Scourton and Princely’s deals and if they earn 2nd contracts that is good timing. Also, watching g the Luke and JJ video I linked in the Luke thread Luke said the LB talent is there in this draft and he expects Morgan to get one. I am like, please. And make it a better pick than Wallace, Dan. Inauspicious debut there, on your linebacker drafting.