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Yes, but Canales has a say as well. If he keeps minimizing him it will be harder to know. I am hoping it plays out where people sell out to stop Rico and there is no other choice but to start throwing it around a little. That’s what we need to see, when they dare him to beat them with his arm, can he come through?

Used to like Camden until he got in on the going to Tepper crew in 2023.

Absent a really impressive multi game performance by Young, you have to do this or something like it.

Oh I see what you meant by memory. I will trust my memory, I have looked a a lot of those ball charts for Bryce and they trend a general pattern. They thing that has changed that I have noticed more recently is the reduction in the bunching of behind or at the LOS passes over to his right. Aside from the quantity of throws recently since the running game has become a more dominant factor.

I think if you Moneyball it, the point would be that you can get the same production for a lot less than committing 35-37 million or whatever it is, for 2026 and 2027. Don’t even mention extension.

Only a few really like him. And a few were completely against drafting him and have yet to be proven wrong. Lots of people,who bought in but have crossed over. If you haven’t watched every game you really don’t know. He was fairly effective against your team, I’d say you saw the good side.

Other QBs do too. It is on one hand, fair to measure him against the others based on the same standards. On the other hand, those standards are suspect IMO. Too loose. Like calling 20 yards a deep ball devalues actual deep balls. What we used to think of as deep before FF scoring influenced so much.

It’ll be someone else’s fault too. OL most likely, or those WRs not having 10 foot arms.

Well you can get chicken or egg with why, and debate that but at a glance you can see obvious differences. Some are stark. I am going with the casual fan overview that tells me he is putting less on Bryce’s plate. Looks to me he is calling the plays he knows the QB can handle. Just the hits. No deep cuts.

I lived there about 3 years, left in 1980. It was mostly Red Sox, Celtics and Bruins. They didn’t care much about the Pats. I can only imagine once they got going with Brady. Except for the long ass cold as hell winters (why I left) that place was pretty great in that time but I wouldn’t want to be there now. Unless I was rich. And if I was rich I would be somewhere else… But the abundance, quality and eclectic variety of live music available on even on a Tuesday night, and the big city sports, plus the food variety was great. Except for southern food lol. They had one soul food place that was kind of okay. Sports because daily newspapers had so much pro sports coverage. Which you can get from anywhere now but not back then.

I just looked at the page with every game on it, it is pretty easy to see without going into the page for a given week. There is stuff unlike any chart of Bryce’s that I recall. And a couple are markedly different that the rest indicating a plan of attack for that game. I just took a quick sampling off the main page it looks pretty obvious. For anyone that is curious https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/charts/list/pass/tampabay-buccaneers/2023/week

I am not going through all that either but maybe looking at TB passing charts with Mayfield could offer a clue. Which I have not done since I just thought of it but is little easier to quantify. I mean when you look at Bryce’s the thing that stands out recently is a reduction of the clusters on the right side behind or at the LOS. But there are areas that are consistent. Middle, 10-15 yards or so, same down the right sideline, stuff like that. I look and see those things and thing if I’m a DC I am posting a dude in those areas full time.

Las Vegas last year looked like the reins were off too. Opened it up.

Like I said in the edit, got my years wrong. Was thinking 2022 with him here for some reason. Caught it, added a note.

How many kids did she have? With that, and three coke cans working on it, well use your imagination. I am not sure she helped herself there.

Makes me think maybe a policy of no threads started until the conclusion of the game would not be a bad idea. Plenty of room in the game thread for bitching or crowning.

I don’t understand the point of Mayfield 2023. what was he in 2024 and this year? Although losing Evans might cut this year back a little. (scratch that 2023, I was off a year). Two things, something like 1.5, give or take, more per game gives you in the range of 22-28 more over a season. Even 1 is 17 more shots. And if you are successful on one or two of your three, you have established the threat as real, and can operate the near field more freely. Which besides the chance at a quick score, is the point of doing it.

He was an option in 2023 that we rejected to trade the farm for the magic beans, if I remember right.

An average year for a 5th round 2nd year player is fine with me. Judging him in a vacuum. Judging him against a more talented option, he turns into good depth.

Can’t disagree.

Okay. I guess I would ask, if he goes elsewhere would he have to compete or would he just be handed the job? I am thinking with what he has shown, doubtful that it is handed to him. He and his agent may have to contend with that as a reality when they weigh their options. I don’t think he is that hard to replace from a performance aspect. If the teammates really do support him, all in, that would be my biggest consideration before going hardball. But you can’t pay this guy 18 million for two years, as things stand today, without at least considering other cheaper options.

I have read your hometown paper. Front page says you are insecure in your own skin and to make yourself feel better, you have to belittle others. It is a common tell. You’d think a master gambler would know a tell, but I guess self reflection isn’t your strong suit. Further, as anyone who has talent or has achieved a high degree of proficiency at something can tell you - the real people don’t have to talk big to try and make themselves look like the big man on campus. They don’t have to. The ones that crow about their abilities are generally the ones you don’t worry about. The people who know, know. If a guy says he is okay, or plays a little, shows some humility, that is the guy you better look out for. The guy that talks about himself is a poser, 90 plus percent of the time if not 99. You coming up in here bragging about your big money bets, gave you away. You have to put the big impressive dollar figures in so a bunch of anons on a message board are impressed? Okay. Another tell. Well whatever, that can be overlooked but when you cross the line with the belittling of a number of people you get my attention. Just stop putting your insecurities on us. We really don’t need your attitude of needing to demean others to puff yourself up. And that’s why I called you an asshole. Just had enough of it.

It isn’t you asshole.

I was just looking at Doug Flutie this morning. A better passer than Bryce and I think maybe a better runner. You know what he had to go through to make the NFL? A whole lot. 4 years of being a top CFL guy, had to take a big pay cut to be a backup in Buffalo, just to get his foot in the door. people wouldn’t give a shot because of his size. They were smart back then. He was legit, did more than anything Bryce has shown so far, but these modern participation trophy types just handed Bryce an NFL starting job. And we are still waiting for him to prove he deserves it.

No kidding. You can’t tell about most players, even SEC players, until they are in real NFL games. College just ain’t the same.