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11 minutes ago, CPF4LIFE said:

LMAAAOOOOOOOOOOO....like what does that even mean

Bryce just needs a new coat of paint, and everything will be fine. Nothing a trip to Home Depot wouldn't fix.

6 hours ago, WUnderhill said:

Edit to add: this “NFL-open” buzz term is something that has suddenly become very popular here this season. Might want to think about why that is. Could it be just the term “open” rarely describes our receivers?

The term "NFL-open" is popular this season because Bryce backers (most of whom are hilariously lacking in basic football knowledge) need to be educated on the fact that the NFL is very different from college football. In the NFL, receivers don't get nearly as much separation from defenders as they do at Alabama, whose players are significantly more talented than the opposition, save two or three opponents each season. In the NFL, the talent disparity is much smaller and throwing windows are far tighter, and therefore the demand on timing, processing, and ball placement (throwing receivers open is a big thing) is also significantly higher. This is precisely why so very many good college QBs don't make it in the NFL. Bryce backers just can't seem to grasp this simple fact and instead they resort to blaming the O-line, the receivers, the coaches, and anything and everything except their golden boy.

5 hours ago, raleigh-panther said:

If frogs had wings, they wouldn’t….well, you know

Fitterer does look like a frog or toad with its vocal sacs inflated. It's also interesting the word "toady" means "a person who behaves obsequiously to someone important." 

Maybe the forum should consider adding a plastic cup emoji for expressing disapproval. It'd be nice to have an alternative to the turd emoji that also serves as a big middle finger to Tepper whenever it's used.

19 minutes ago, CRA said:

Andy Dalton has played in the NFL for centuries....and it took the most pass attempts in his entire career for us to just have a respectful passing day in terms of yardage. It took him what, 60 pass attempts or something?    

 

Dalton is certainly experienced, but it's also true that he got very few reps as a backup, so there's certainly more room to gel with his receivers. His yards per attempt was 6.2 in that game, not great or even good, but certainly not horrifying like Bryce. His YPA would certainly have been higher if his completion percentage (58.6%) had been higher, but again, he had no time to gel with his receivers. So basically our backup, who had had few reps, played far better than Bryce even though he played with the same pieces and under the same schemes. I'm as certain as it can be that Dalton would have won quite a few more games had he been allowed to start. That to me is why I say Bryce is the problem.

29 minutes ago, CRA said:

Nah, Bryce is A problem. 

I mean, that's just straight up gaslighting and lying to act like our trash WRs and scheme aren't their own issue.   OL gets a little tougher to figure out because their are just countless plays where the ball should be coming out and doesn't.  What occurs after that becomes a mixed bag. 

and you got a real bad plan if you all you offer your rookie QB...is occasionally having a WR get NFL open.  And that's all the rookie has had.  I do struggle to decide which is worse though, the WRs or the scheme/plays. 

I didn't say our receivers and scheme have been great or good, but with Bryce's poor play, we'll never know either way. That's the rub, but our receivers sure as hell looked better when Dalton played in that one game, even though Dalton had had very few reps to gel with the receivers. 

4 minutes ago, Ricky Prickles said:

Bottom line we can agree on is he is NOT a good QB right now and it either has to change or we need a new one

Aye, I can drink to that, and I think you and I can both agree that despite the low-character owner, we both will continue to support the team.

37 minutes ago, BrisbanePanther said:

I keep seeing this, and he does do that a lot...then again, most people do. I've recorded myself preparing for speeches and I'm always stunned at the number of y'knows/kind ofs/ums that I use. It's actually embarrassing but I can't be fussed (nor have the time) to do Toastmasters. 

Bryce should do Toastmasters or something like it...but only after he get coaching from someone like Drew Brees (who Tepper should throw everything at to be his private full-time coach).

Then again, he is a generation alpha kid, so he might indeed focus on Toastmasters.

The frequency of ums is a lot higher after losses than after (the two) wins. That's my point. When he's under some kind of duress, his speech deteriorates alarmingly. It's normal for a person's speech to deteriorate when under duress, by the way, but not to the extent that Bryce exhibits. Other QBs after a tough loss would look angry or subdued, but they could still string together terse but coherent sentences to express their disappointment and frustration. Not Bryce though, he was often on the verge of crying, with his voice trembling while he uttered endless streams of ums as if he's reading Shakespeare in Morse code. I don't know about you, but his fidgety behavior on camera and his panicky play on the field are to me a sign of his lack of mental toughness. 

1 hour ago, Selltheteamtepper said:

The coverage of Bryce Young leading up to the draft was incredibly dishonest. No one was willing to tell the truth about his size, toughness or question his leadership leadership skills over fear of it being labeled discriminatory towards small people. It’s very hard to earn the respect of your teammates as the smallest guy in the locker room. Only a handful of mainstream guys even spoke about this stuff, Keyshawn Johnson was one of them. Meanwhile Stroud and Levis, who had all the typical traits, were portrayed as these bumbling idiots. I’ve noticed this trend in life where people’s weaknesses are made out to be strengths in the name of inclusivity. The fact that Tepper couldn’t see through this is a major red flag. 

Body diversity and inclusion is the latest thing with the professional management class and the holier-than-thou jet-set shareholders.

1 hour ago, Ricky Prickles said:

Considering him to not be a high character individual because he tried to put on a few pounds and didn't throw or run at combine is a stretch as well. Im no Bryce supporter but im not going to call him low character or consider him as such just because I don't like the way he plays and wish we had drafted Stroud. What is your past like? If you consider that low character, I would assume you have done something in your past that us thinking you are high character could be a stretch too? Hell, my past is filled with mistakes and screw ups so im sure in some of the "holier than you" people's eyes im a real piece of poo but we all know what opinions are like.

I never said he was a low character individual. I don't understand where you got that idea from. I said he isn't a high-character guy. He can fall anywhere on the spectrum, and frankly I don't care. 

2 hours ago, 4Corners said:

Oh man this feller here doubling down now telling us what the US court systems will do 

Yeah, whatever. Let's just agree to disagree.

44 minutes ago, 4Corners said:

See this is how I know you don’t have any clue what you’re talking about. The NCAA can’t subpoena anyone, can’t make anyone cooperate with their “investigations” and pretty much folds any time there is a whiff of a college seeking ACTUAL legal action against them.
 

 There are numerous recent examples of this. tez walker and other NCAA transfers who were deemed ineligible; the NCAA vs UNC academic BS; NIL being allowed; schools threatening the ncaa with “Anti trust” lawsuits, etc

UM has a ton of lawyers, alumni, and money where if they tried to hammer them with something they felt was unjust you better believe that poo will be heading to the REAL courts with real judges and procedures. 
 

do you think that the ncaa can with 100% facts prove that Harbaugh was behind this sign stealing stuff? Like receipts and evidence? 
 

Of course they can’t. This stuff is being blown way out of proportion anyway. 

I don't think you're getting the particulars of this case correctly. The NCAA, of which the University of Michigan Athletics Department is a member and therefore has pledged to abide by its regulations and bylaws, is perfectly empowered to investigate allegations of cheating and hands down penalties as it deems appropriate in accordance with its bylaws. Of course, Michigan could challenge the NCAA in a court of law, all the way up to the Supreme Court, but the nature of the case is rather different from the monopolistic exploitation of college athletes (Sherman Act violation) of previous cases, which were brought by individual athletes. Any court of law worth its salt will not stop the NCAA from handing down penalties against a member institution that knowingly broke agreed-upon bylaws or had so little institutional control that the relevant bylaws were flaunted.

Just now, 4Corners said:

Doubt it. UM got the resources and alumni to take it to the NCAA and beat them in a court of law. 

The court of law doesn't apply. The NCAA is the court. 

3 minutes ago, Jaxel said:

I just dont see that happening, the nfl know Jim brings ratings, no one like the ncaa, no one trusts them and no one cares. I doubt it will be anything grave.

Us fans don't like the NCAA. NFL doesn't care about our feelings. The NFL as an organization views its relations with the NCAA differently than you and I. Expect the NFL to honor whatever the punishment NCAA hands down. Now, if the NFL decides to water down the eventual penalty, then fine, but we had better get a precise measure before we decide to pull the trigger. 

The point is that we need a new coach now, but the NCAA investigation won't conclude before the next season starts. It's too dangerous of a gamble to be making by chasing after Harbaugh.

3 minutes ago, Jaxel said:

I mean what are they gonna do, suspend him for 3 or 4 games? Fine him? Take away a draft pick. Who cares, the long term benefit will be worth it.

 

The suspension could be a year or more. That's what it looks like. I live in the midwest, so I've been following this saga much more closely than, say, folks in Carolina. Harbaugh is in some really serious poo. There is no doubt about that.

Just now, 4Corners said:

This is BS. Pete Carroll was cheating like a mofo at USC and left for the NFL without any consequences. 
 

I doubt anything significant will happen to Harbaugh from the NCAA. Michigan would probably just sue the ncaa and they will fold like always. 

Pete Carroll was the reason the NFL allegedly decided to crack down on college coaches jumping ship to escape NCAA penalties. Remember, the Tressel thing happened after Carroll. 

2 minutes ago, Jaxel said:

Pshhh no one likes or cares about the ncaa and their sanctions. When Jim moves on from Michigan it will be non story to everyone but the school. And even they won't care when they win the championship on Monday.

Nobody cares, sure, but if for whatever reason the NFL decides to partner up with NCAA to punish Harbaugh, as they did with Jim Tressel, then we've got a real problem. Do you want to bet the reset on that uncertainty? Didn't we just essentially make the same mistake by drafting Bryce?

Harbaugh can't just jump ship to the NFL that easily. When the NCAA hands down sanctions against Harbaugh, it will likely be honored by the NFL as well. We certainly don't want someone with these dark clouds hanging over his head whose availability is up in the air.

https://www.maizenbrew.com/2023/10/29/23937023/report-jim-harbaugh-nfl-michigan-wolverines-football-2023-ncaa-sign-stealing-investigation-stalions

5 minutes ago, WUnderhill said:

Even if the OL gives 10 seconds of a clean pocket, what’s the difference if the slow receivers take 15 seconds to get to their spot? I’m clearly exaggerating with the numbers. The problem is the whole offense and pretty much every offensive player. The OL is bad, compounded by bad and slow receivers, compounded by RBs trying to do too much in the backfield, compounded by penalties and awful 1st and 2nd down plays, compounded by a rookie QB who has zero room for rookie QB mistakes, which puts us into more 2nd and 15, 3rd and 15 than I’ve ever seen in a season. If you’re in here saying this offensive line is performing adequately, I think you aren’t watching the games and have a bias. I’m not sure we’d be worse if we cut every single player.

Stop blaming the receivers. They've been NFL-open plenty of times. They're not responsible for Bryce's poor throwing mechanics, poor timing (stemming from his atrocious footwork), poor processing, poor arm strength, poor accuracy, and his inability to throw receivers open. 

Bryce's poor play is directly responsible for the perceived underperformance by our receivers, O-line, and in other aspects of the game. 

Bryce is the problem.

18 minutes ago, The Natural said:

I don't buy that at all. The line was terrible when Dalton was in there as well. The problem is we're running an offense that plays to the exact opposite of what our linemen are (were) good at.

Sacks are more of a QB stat than an O-line stat, which is why they are listed under a QB's stat sheet. As a backup, Dalton had very few reps in, so it's understandable he was sacked three times in that one game. Moreover, Dalton attempted 58 passes in that game, which means he had more opportunities to be sacked (1 sack per 19 pass attempts). Now compare that with Jalen Hurt's sack numbers behind the top-rated O-line (522 pass attemps, 34 sacks, 1 sack per 15.3 pass attempts), I say Dalton actually did very well considering how few reps he got prior to the game. Had we benched Bryce at that point and started Dalton for the rest of the season, I fully expect him to be sacked less and less as the season progressed. The same thing can't be said about Bryce. 

7 minutes ago, Ricky Prickles said:

Hopefully Bryce is mentally tough and can handle a heated exchange with his lineman so that no "safe space" is needed or any BS like that. I want my team's QB to always be the mentally toughest dude on the field at all times where nothing phases him and he sets an example for everyone else around him. 

Have you seen any of his press conferences? He can't string a sentence together without a bunch of um, um, ums. 

20 minutes ago, CmC2k said:

That's true Bryce's footwork is awful and definitely needs work, but the Oline hasn't done him any favors to at least try and establish good footwork by allowing just so many sacks and pressures this year. 

His footwork has always been terrible since at least his days at Alabama. You rarely ever see him do a standard 3-, 5-, or 7-step drop. Instead, he just saunters backward like a tranquilized raccoon and then does his signature midget-hop like he's twitching on some designer drug. How TF is he gonna get the timing down with that bullsh!t footwork, not to mention generate enough zip for passes into tight NFL windows? And how TF are the linemen (especially the interior) supposed to block for him when he never gives them enough depth to work with?

Your golden boy also holds onto the ball forever, because his little mouse brain overheats as soon as the reads get just a little tough, so much so that he has no spare mental capacity for basic pocket awareness and navigation, such as climbing the pocket or stepping away from the pressure. He just pogo hops or stands on the same spot like a carboard standie and eats sacks. Even when he tries to get away from pressure, which he almost always does when it's already too freaking late, he doesn't have the speed to outrun defenders, and because he's so tiny, one hand on his shoulder pad is enough to make him eat turf.

The fact is that our O-line gives Bryce plenty of time to make throws. Plenty of time. It's his fault that his fundamentals are so atrocious and his processing so slow that he can't hit open receivers on time or make bare minimum NFL-level throws accurately and consistently or avoid sacks to extend plays. 

And here's another thing: sacks are more of a QB statistic, which is why they are listed on a QB's stat sheet. The majority of sacks are due to Bryce's fault. Why? Because he almost always had enough time in the pocket to either throw to a receiver or simply scramble and throw the ball away. QBs are drilled over and over and over again on the importance of avoiding sacks, because sacks are the worst outcome save for interceptions or pick sixes. This is QB 101 stuff but apparently too difficult to grasp for our super S2-processor. Don't just stand there like a deer in headlights or a special needs boi who just got off the short bus on the wrong stop. Throw the damn ball away, FFS! 

Face it, we bet the farm on a QB who can't even perform simple 3-, 5-, and 7-step drops (or 3- and 5-step drops from the shotgun), which is something a decent Pop Warner QB can perform with consistency. 

41 minutes ago, CmC2k said:

Bozeman needs to worry about his own play and the play of his fellow Offensive linemen not named Taylor Moton. On 32 drop backs the Oline allowed 6 sacks, 8 qb hits and 14 pressures. Bryce needs to stop with the whole nice guy act and show some frustration or some anger to these dudes because they're gonna get him killed. 

Bryce does dropbacks? That's news to me. In what universe is his leisurely backward stroll called a drop? You should instead be thanking our O-line that Bryce wasn't sacked more.

This Reddit user claims to have seen a heated Bozeman yelling at Bryce on the sideline. Can anyone else independently verify this?

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