BenjaminBreeg

20 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Arrogant and misleading.  Dangerous combination. I really think your ability to muster courage behind a fake name on a discussion board has overwhelmed your circuitry. Regardless, I do not pretend to be smarter than others by referring to anyone who disagrees with me as having a thick skull.  The fact is, you are being intentionally misleading--sacks are a QB stat but not one they often use to evaluate QBs--completion percentage, interception rate, YPA, etc are usually the standard--Sacks, however, are a key OL measure, and you seem to disregard that obvious point because it is not consistent with your theory--something you choose to ignore so you can pout and rant and make people think you know what you are talking about.  I gave you facts and stats--offensive line statistics related to sacks---and you give me an answer that ignores these facts and stats and you repeat yourself.  Silly person.  The worst left side of the OL (T, G, C) in the NFL. based on SACKS and you say they were not bad.  Not arguing with someone who skips over facts and statistics.  If you want to challenge my points, find some Offensive linemen stats that do not include sacks allowed.  Post  the link here.  If you can't, STFU.

Cancel that. I misclicked the quote button and somehow had you confused with that class-A lardass recceice. Yes, I agree sacks are an important metric used to assess the O-line's pass blocking performance, which is why I said "sacks are more of a QB stat", meaning that it's a shared responsibility between the O-line and the QB to prevent sacks, with the onus falling more on the QB than it does on the O-line. Please reference my previous posts, which contain stats comparing our O-line performance with that of their peers, to see that our O-line isn't nearly as horrible as many are making it out to be, and that Bryce should shoulder the majority of the blame when it comes to taking sacks. 

It's been a long, painful, and sleep-deprived day. Would you accept my apology? 

Just now, MHS831 said:

Arrogant and misleading.  Dangerous combination. I really think your ability to muster courage behind a fake name on a discussion board has overwhelmed your circuitry. Regardless, I do not pretend to be smarter than others by referring to anyone who disagrees with me as having a thick skull.  The fact is, you are being intentionally misleading--sacks are a QB stat but not one they often use to evaluate QBs--completion percentage, interception rate, YPA, etc are usually the standard--Sacks, however, are a key OL measure, and you seem to disregard that obvious point because it is not consistent with your theory--something you choose to ignore so you can pout and rant and make people think you know what you are talking about.  I gave you facts and stats--offensive line statistics related to sacks---and you give me an answer that ignores these facts and stats and you repeat yourself.  Silly person.  The worst left side of the OL (T, G, C) in the NFL. based on SACKS and you say they were not bad.  Not arguing with someone who skips over facts and statistics.  If you want to challenge my points, find some Offensive linemen stats that do not include sacks allowed.  Post  the link here.  If you can't, STFU.

I guess I have to repeat myself, but here it goes...

Stop blaming the O-line for Young's inability to make timely decisions and to navigate the pocket effectively to get away from pressure. 

You rarely ever see Bryce do a standard 3-, 5-, or 7-step drop. Instead, he just saunters backward like a tranquilized raccoon and then does his signature midget-hop like he's twitching on some designer drug. Just how TF are the linemen (especially the interior) supposed to block for him when he rarely gives them enough depth to work with?

Bryce also holds onto the ball forever, because his little mouse brain overheats as soon as the reads get just a little tough, so much so that he has no spare mental capacity for basic pocket awareness and navigation, such as climbing the pocket or stepping away from the pressure. He just pogo hops or stands on the same spot like a carboard standie and eats sacks. Even when he tries to get away from pressure, which he almost always does when it's already too freaking late, he doesn't have the speed to outrun defenders, and because he's so tiny, one hand on his shoulder pad is enough to make him eat turf.

The fact is that our O-line gives Bryce plenty of time to make throws. Plenty of time. It's his fault that his fundamentals are so atrocious and his processing so slow that he can't hit open receivers on time or make bare minimum NFL-level throws accurately and consistently or avoid sacks to extend plays. 

Get this through to your head: sacks are more of a QB statistic, which is why they are listed on a QB's stat sheet. The majority of sacks are due to Bryce's fault. Why? Because he almost always had enough time in the pocket to either throw to a receiver or simply scramble and throw the ball away. QBs are drilled over and over and over again on the importance of avoiding sacks, because sacks are the worst outcome save for interceptions or pick sixes. This is QB 101 stuff but apparently too difficult to grasp for our super S2-processor. Don't just stand there like a deer in headlights or a special needs boi who just got off the short bus on the wrong stop. Throw the damn ball away, FFS! 

Face it, we bet the farm on a QB who can't even perform simple 3-, 5-, and 7-step drops (or 3- and 5-step drops from the shotgun), which is something even a decent Pop Warner QB can perform on a consistent basis. 

25 minutes ago, recceice said:

Trevor Lawrence wasn’t  perfect footwork either day 1..

Do you always talk out of your ass? Sure, Trevor's footwork wasn't 'perfect', but it sure as hell a lot better than the 12U Pop Warner level footwork that Bryce currently has.

3 minutes ago, jb2288 said:

Now THIS is cope 

My apologies for not having the patience to explain something as rudimentary as this. I can't help someone who clearly sees that sacks are listed on QB stat sheets and thinks, oh gee, that must be an O-line stat.

3 minutes ago, recceice said:

 

example .. 
 

Cj great pass had time because his Oline blocked and great catch by Nico who got separation and a over the shoulder catch.. A 11 guys did their job on that play not just 1..

One example. Boo fugging hoo! What are you? Five? Do you ride the short bus? 

Here, can you read? Now GTFO with your dumbass hot takes! 

Just now, MHS831 said:

Our OL is not truly horrible--I beg to differ.  Are you saying that sacks are not on the OL or the WRs?  Our LT (and they kept stats on this) had 11 sacks this season, 3rd worst.  He also was third worst in penalties.  Our LG was a revolving door, but Zavala, in limited snaps, surrendered 6 sacks (6th worse in the NFL). Bradley Bozeman gave up 10 sacks (1st among NFL centers).  Cade Mays surrendered 3 sacks in limited play. In contrast, Taylor Moton surrendered 1 sack all season.  The left side of the OL featured the #1, #3, and #6 (respectively) worst in the category of sacks (an OL stat too, for a reason)-- I am not including the reserves like Nash Jensen or Gabe Jackson.  This OL was truly horrible.  40% of the starters were on IR most of the time and when they played, they gave up a lot. 

I am not even going to get into the fact that multiple announcers commented on how there were no open WRs.  Considering the Panthers had the 8th most penalties in the NFL and most sacks, is it possible that Bryce was holding the ball too long trying to make a play?  What does he do?  Throw it into coverage?  Out of bounds?  Run it?  He did all those things.

How many times do I have to repeat myself? Get this through that thick skull of yours: sacks are more of a QB stat, which is why they are listed on QB stat sheets. 

11 minutes ago, recceice said:

You full of poo.. If you can’t see how bad this Oline was and how badly Ickey regressed then your literary blind.. And sacks are not a Qb stats Alone who lie to you..

No, you're full of poo!

Stop blaming the O-line for Young's inability to make timely decisions and to navigate the pocket effectively to get away from pressure. 

You rarely ever see Bryce do a standard 3-, 5-, or 7-step drop. Instead, he just saunters backward like a tranquilized raccoon and then does his signature midget-hop like he's twitching on some designer drug. Just how TF are the linemen (especially the interior) supposed to block for him when he rarely gives them enough depth to work with?

Your golden boy also holds onto the ball forever, because his little mouse brain overheats as soon as the reads get just a little tough, so much so that he has no spare mental capacity for basic pocket awareness and navigation, such as climbing the pocket or stepping away from the pressure. He just pogo hops or stands on the same spot like a carboard standie and eats sacks. Even when he tries to get away from pressure, which he almost always does when it's already too freaking late, he doesn't have the speed to outrun defenders, and because he's so tiny, one hand on his shoulder pad is enough to make him eat turf.

The fact is that our O-line gives Bryce plenty of time to make throws. Plenty of time. It's his fault that his fundamentals are so atrocious and his processing so slow that he can't hit open receivers on time or make bare minimum NFL-level throws accurately and consistently or avoid sacks to extend plays. 

Get this through that numb skull of yours: sacks are more of a QB statistic, which is why they are listed on a QB's stat sheet. The majority of sacks are due to Bryce's fault. Why? Because he almost always had enough time in the pocket to either throw to a receiver or simply scramble and throw the ball away. QBs are drilled over and over and over again on the importance of avoiding sacks, because sacks are the worst outcome save for interceptions or pick sixes. This is QB 101 stuff but apparently too difficult to grasp for our super S2-processor. Don't just stand there like a deer in headlights or a special needs boi who just got off the short bus on the wrong stop. Throw the damn ball away, FFS! 

Face it, we bet the farm on a QB who can't even perform simple 3-, 5-, and 7-step drops (or 3- and 5-step drops from the shotgun), which is something even a decent Pop Warner QB can perform on a consistent basis. 

Now go sit in the corner, short pants! Adults are talking here.

8 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

Sacked 62 times this season--roughly 4 per game.  With 509 passing attempts, that is 1 sack per about 8  attempts. If you consider how often he was forced into a throwaway or bad pass, then it is difficult to imagine how any QB could succeed in this environment.  His WRs were rarely open and for most of the season, he had 40% of his OL on IR.  His TEs were not much help.  Furthermore, the Panthers were the 8th most penalized team in the NFL; The Panthers were undisciplined and made many unforced errors, especially the OL.  What about his weaponry?  Chark dropped 4 passes on 66 targets.  (To put that into perspective, last season Justin Jefferson, often the focus of the defense, dropped 5 passes on 184 targets).  Adam Theilen was targeted 137 times and had 6 drops.  Mingo had 85 targets and five drops.  TMJ was targeted 33 times and had 2 drops.  Remember, they are not getting open, but when they do, they drop the ball much too often.

Defenses could stunt and blitz all they wanted.  The running game did not set up the passing game--the Panthers were predictable.  They could not run the ball behind Jensen, Jackson, Mays--so they ran the ball wider with more success.  Once that was shut down, the teams could blitz A gaps or they could drop 8 in a wide zone, taking away the flats.  Since DTs could penetrate through Jensen/Mays/Jackson, throwing drag routes was difficult, which would have been the solution under normal circumstances.

My point?  I am skeptical and afraid, but I will be damned if I am going to give up on Bryce when he was given this mess.  Tom Brady in his prime would have struggled here.  Not an exaggeration.  On TV, you see the QB, the hesitation, and the panic.  They said the same things about Tua in Miami, if you remember.  Too early to tell, but I bet you $100 if Bryce went to a team like SF, Seattle, or even Denver, he would be successful.

Sacks are listed on QB's stat sheet for a reason, because it's more of a QB stat. It reflects poorly on a QB if he's sacked too many times, unless the O-line is truly horrible, which ours isn't.

2 minutes ago, heel31ok said:

Ok...not what I was saying

Ooops. My fault. That was a total brain fart. 

4 minutes ago, PleaseCutStewart said:

Wow... So is Bryce really like 5'3" then?? Because he easily looks three or four inches smaller than brees

TBH, I think Bryce is probably around 5'8" to 5'9", or at least his eye level is the same as an average person who's 5'8" to 5'9".

3 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

Bruh, it's hard to pad your 4th quarter stats when you are in the lead.  Think outside of the box for a moment here.

LMAO! I've used up my quota of reaction emojis for the day. Otherwise I would have totally given you a flame.

5 minutes ago, recceice said:

Wait what is your definition of quite a bit?

As in there is noticeable difference in height between two players who were listed as having identical height.

8 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

https://x.com/The33rdTeamFB/status/1744105448670683538?s=20

Woah, what? Is that true?

9 minutes ago, heel31ok said:

Both were small qbs Brees is taller...

Drew is actually quite a bit taller than Bryce in real life. Check out their respective eye level, which is what really matters.

30 minutes ago, toldozer said:

I believe we know why you can't see Nicole's left hand

24 minutes ago, Brooklyn 3.0 said:

I think there's about six diehard Bryce guys left.

They are probably all non-binary social activists who identify as doorknobs.

44 minutes ago, Mr Mojo Risin said:

Yes

Bryce Young will be a top 5 QB next year

Where? In the Arena Football League?

47 minutes ago, Jaxel said:

He can read the field, but he just cannot make the throws.

Can he read the field? 

Just now, Sean Payton's Vicodin said:

Stroud's sentence structure is noun, verb, and thanking jesus christ. 

At least Stroud's sentences have structures. Young can't even string together a sentence without a bunch of um um ums, as if he's reading Shakespeare in Morse code. 

47 minutes ago, Sean Payton's Vicodin said:

He's well mannered and is a better public speaker than Stroud. Tepper fell for the same poo with Rhule over a fuging dinner. No more dinners

Bryce is a better public speaker than Stroud? In what language? Do you all speak UmUmUm where you come from? 

48 minutes ago, WarPanthers89 said:

No. We have one more season minimum to give him a shot with hopefully a competent coaching/offensive staff and some weapons. He’s been terrible, but considering his circumstances and what we gave up, you go all in and give him a shot next year….thats all we can do. I hope he has an offseason dedicated to improving in all areas and that we see an improvement because I can’t take another season like this.

He's got eight or nine more games to prove that he has a future in the NFL. A season and a half worth of starts is the consensus amount by which to judge a QB's potential.

By the middle of next season we should know if he's the future of this franchise, or a future backup, or should be cut. 

Look on the bright side. Young had 11 interceptions this year, and rookie Manning had 28.

Young > Manning

Keep pounding... sand!

The Panthers have been shut out for the second week in a row. The last NFL team that was shut out in two consecutive games was the Browns all the way back in 2008.

We are the new Browns.

Keep pounding... sand!

49 minutes ago, ComebackCam said:

Bryce cripples the offense

He cripples the schemes, the playbook, the offensive line, the receivers. He is the albatross around the team's neck. 

He's got six more games to officially prove what most of us already know.