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1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I honestly think our offensive issues are more due to Bryce's issues than Bryce's issues are due to our offensive issues.

Hopefully that reads right.

Ding ding ding!

That reads right and sounds right.

The season tends to get tougher as it goes on. Opponents have more tape on bryce, and they have figured out his game. The question is whether Bryce has the wherewithal and resourcefulness to dig deeper and show what we haven't seen before. 

The answer is unfortunately a resounding no.

2 hours ago, BY9Franchise said:

"Post time qb holds ball" doesn't realize that it's not a linear stat other qbs don't have to hold the ball as long doesn't mean those lines can't protect better...

Why not post the average time before pressure.

 

Not surprising that the Dolphins is only 2.1 they have weapons that get open this isn't as simple as "time in the pocket" it's cause and effect....

 

Neither is QB pocket awareness a linear stat. It's not O-line's fault that Bryce has poor pocket awareness. I think you and I can agree that Bryce has poor pocket awareness and that he's incapable of anticipating pressure and navigating the pocket effectively.

16 minutes ago, PghPanther said:

Young should have played tennis.............he's built more like Arthur Ashe. 

He's as out of place in the NFL as Willie Shoemaker would be in the squared circle as a tag team member with King Kong Bundy taking on Andre the Giant and Hulk Hogan.   

........and I see some of you younger folks will be doing some name Googling after reading that.  

He should have played football –– European football.

13 hours ago, Ghostofdelhomme said:

I wonder how many times Bryce has heard “you fuggin suck” from a teammate as they come back in the huddle

I'd venture to guess it's about the same number of times Bryce said "um" in postgame press conferences.

17 minutes ago, BY9Franchise said:

Joined wens hmmm lol you are a delusional alt

Our O-line is 3.6 roentgens: not great, but not horrifying as you're making it out be.

Bryce is afforded on average 2.5 seconds in the pocket. Only six teams give their QBs more time to throw. 

Of all the deficiencies of this team, it's a bit strange to pick the O-line to pin your blame on.

6 hours ago, App Panther said:

It's almost fascinating seeing how he is knocked down.

It's like ragdoll physics in a video game or something. 

It's straight out of Hollywood. We drafted Brucie from The Longest Yard.

This just proves that the remaining personnel have checked out, so there is no point in starting Bryce for the rest of the season, because it's not like he's being developed. Please spare the fans and start Dalton so that there is a less miserable product on the field. 

3 hours ago, Saca312 said:

Regression after the pitiful start Young has had is quite something. The Falcons game showed early on Young misfiring deep shots to open WRs, and making mental errors on his interceptions to Bates. That can be excused as lack of cohesion with Young and his receivers, with the expectation he improves.

He hasn't improved. He airballs wide open receivers to this day and fails to connect on the deep opportunities that present itself. He finally had a good run game going and deep shots were finally considered - he just outright missed those opportunities and looked as bad as he did downfield in week 1.

Bryce has never been accurate on deep throws. During his best statistical year at Alabama, Bryce completed only 36.1% of passes 20 yards or longer. That is freaking atrocious. For comparison, Tua's completion rate at Alabama on passes 20 yards or longer was 57.1%, and Mac Jones' was 58%. 

Young's deep ball accuracy is not gonna suddenly and miraculously improve in the NFL, which begs the question: how in the world did our evaluators and scouts miss this giant red flag? I thought Tepper prides himself on using analytics, so how did they miss this?

3 hours ago, Loyalty4Life said:

Your reading comprehension leaves a lot to be desired. 

I just said it was a combination of SCHEME, PRESSURE and WR's not getting separation. 

Christianson, Corbett, Zavala, Thorkmorton, Mays, Toth, McCray, Jenson

We are starting our 3rd/4th string guards.  Icky getting beat on speed rushes to the outside are 100% on him.  A LT has to be able to play on an island.

If you're good with that and think the oline if fine, then I've got a deal for you on a great bridge for sale.

 

You watch tape? Right, and Epstein killed himself. GTFO with your dumbass hot takes.

50 minutes ago, gorillamilitia13 said:

Yeah he can. He's regressing because of the lack of talent, poor coaching scheme, and poor o line play this year. He needs a reset and its too early to call him a bust. Let's see how he's performing around this time next year.

Bryce is definitely regressing because of a lack of talent –– his lack of talent.

3 minutes ago, Loyalty4Life said:

You have no idea how to analyze stats.  Stats lie and liars use stats.  That because you have to look at them in context.  

For instance, it's a combination of scheme, pressure, and WR not getting separation.  I've watched the all-22 film of more than half the games and the biggest reason Bryce holds onto the ball waaaay to long is no one is open.

A stat is going to tell you an average in this context.  Go watch the All-22 film and watch each play and then try to assess why it failed. 

Thank you for the poo take. Do you blame the O-line too for our receivers not getting open? How long do you want the O-line to hold the pocket for Bryce? 10 seconds? 20 seconds? Would that be enough? GTFO!

1 hour ago, Tarheel119 said:

We avoided it because our OL can’t hold up. Now Bryce’s touch has been off today, especially the one to Mingo.

Stop blaming the O-line. The O-line gives Young plenty of time. It's not their fault that Bryce holds onto the ball for too long and has poor pocket awareness.

Just now, MGH1989 said:

This guy just said the o-line is fine LOOOOOOOL

Yes, there are only six teams in the NFL whose O-lines provide their QBs with more time in the pocket than our O-line. You heard that right, only six teams are ahead. It's not our O-line's fault that Bryce holds onto the ball for too long and is too slow to escape sacks.

17 minutes ago, Loyalty4Life said:

Oh my bad.  I guess I missed Icky still whiffing on speed rushes and WR getting wide open or us running a completely different offense.  

Bryce has not risen to make his team better at all.  He has looked worse and worse the last few games.  No question but you can't show up to a gun fight with a knife.  When that happens and he still plays like this, then I'll call him a bust.

Stop blaming the O-line and the WRs. It's just a stupid narrative not backed up by facts. The O-line is fine, and our receivers get NFL-open plenty of times. Young has atrocious footwork, poor pocket awareness, poo athleticism, poo processing, poo decision-making, poo accuracy, and poo arm strength, all of which have a far more negative impact on our offense than the alleged O-line and receiver problems. In other words, the O-line and receivers might have problems, but Bryce is the problem.

End of story!

3 minutes ago, Loyalty4Life said:

Why.  What has really changed?  We are actually running the ball so we are actually somewhat in games but other than that the circumstances are still the same as they were to start the season.  Line still can't block, WR still has trouble getting open except now Bryce is gun shy.

Only so much you can do in season with pretty much the same offense.  We could still win today and have the Falcons and Bucs at home.  Packers are at Panthers too but have gotten much better than they were earlier in the season.

 

It's not the same set of circumstances as the start of the season. We now know Bryce sucks, which is a fact beyond any reasonable doubt. 

I think this game might be the last straw for diehard Bryce defenders. If there are still any of them left after this game, then they all need a psych evaluation asap.

Is Tepper gonna sue the snake oil salesmen who came up with the S2 cognition test?

Trying taking a shot every time you hear Bryce say "um" at the postgame press conference today. That'll be fun and ought to drown out your sorrows.

Panthers should sign Gloria Trillo. Her throwing mechanics are flawless. Bryce has nothing on her.

This chimp could be a promising replacement for Bryce.

Pros: Decent army strength and accuracy.

Cons: Bad table manners and likely will do poorly on the S2 cognition test.

What do you guys think? Worth a pick?

43 minutes ago, Gapanthersfan said:

I think he has a shallow drop back because he knows his arm strength is not adequate for the nfl. If he takes a deep drop, it adds another 8 to 10 yards to his throw. His realistic ‘NFL open’ distance throw is 30 yards, maybe. He just doesn’t have the ability to fire it in when it needs to be.

Yep, this is likely the case.

Bryce has never been accurate on deep throws. During his best statistical year at Alabama, Bryce completed only 36.1% of passes 20 yards or longer. That is freaking atrocious. For comparison, Tua's completion rate at Alabama on passes 20 yards or longer was 57.1%, and Mac Jones' was 58%. 

Yikes, how did our evaluators miss this red flag?

In an interview back in 2010, David Tepper said something that caught my eye:

“if someone is an asshole, like a waiter at a restaurant, I think, I could just buy this place and fire that guy.”

I wonder if someone in our fanbase had offended David Tepper, which motivated him to buy the team just so he could dismantle it in a sadistic attempt to exact revenge on the offender.

(Continued from post above...)

Here's a great example of a textbook dropback and proper footwork in navigating the pocket (0:20 to 1:44 in the video).

16 minutes ago, Waldo said:

It was always a QB issue combined with the rest of the issues. 

They just can't admit that yet even if it's obvious. 

Yep, it's clear as day that Bryce creates a lot of problems for the O-line. I see four intermeshing deficiencies in Young's game that directly contribute to the O-line's perceived lack of performance:

– One, Young's dropbacks are way too shallow. On his dropbacks, he usually saunters backward for a few short steps and then leisurely stops. I mean, WTF, right? How are the interior linemen supposed to protect him when he doesn't give them enough depth to block effectively?!
– Two, Young's pocket awareness is very poor, which directly leads to his inability to navigate the pocket when it gets dirty. He also seems incapable (or too scared) to climb the pocket on the few occasions where his shallow dropbacks didn't prevent the O-line from creating a path for him to climb and make a throw.
– Three, Young is undersized and lacks athleticism. If they get one hand on him, he's going down, and if he tries to escape, he's quickly chased down and sacked. 
– Four, Young is a slow processor. He holds onto the ball for too damn long which, combined with his lack of pocket awareness and athleticism, translates into more sacks. 

These four deficiencies all feed into each other and create an unfair impression that our O-line is subpar. The fact is that our O-line on average provides Young with 2.5 seconds of pocket time, which is very respectable; only six teams afford their QBs more time in the pocket than us. I'd even venture to say that our O-line over-performed given the aforementioned deficiencies at the quarterback position.

P.S. I'm surprised that our linemen haven't cornered Bryce in a dark alley and smacked him around a little.